Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd one of the best second reaction receivers in the league

[Rob0729]

Trent Dilfer said that Brandon Lloyd is one of the best second reaction receiver in the league. That means that when a play breaks down and Brady needs to step up and reset, Lloyd will adjust his routes to get in the best position to make a play based on where Brady moves to.

You can see it here. He, Kiper, and Mort talk about the Pats' drafting strategy and the Lloyd part starts about 1:45 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

Video: Patriots 'On the Clock' - AFC East Blog - ESPN

 

[Patriot Missile]

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All I've heard all off season out of Kiper (besides his lousy draft analysis) is how the Patriots were lucky to beat Baltimore in the championship game. Every chance he gets he points it out. Of course he is from guess where? You bet, Baltimore. Your team choked the big one, get over it already Mel.

 

[JFK]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

All I've heard all off season out of Kiper (besides his lousy draft analysis) is how the Patriots were lucky to beat Baltimore in the championship game. Every chance he gets he points it out. Of course he is from guess where? You bet, Baltimore. Your team choked the big one, get over it already Mel.

^We were lucky to win in regulation time.
They choked....in an extremely close game.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

All I've heard all off season out of Kiper (besides his lousy draft analysis) is how the Patriots were lucky to beat Baltimore in the championship game. Every chance he gets he points it out. Of course he is from guess where? You bet, Baltimore. Your team choked the big one, get over it already Mel.

And the Giants were seriously lucky to beat the Patriots and win the Super Bowl. Luck is part of the game.

 

[Sicilian]

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^We were lucky to win in regulation time.
They choked....in an extremely close game.

I'll agree that we were lucky due to the missed kick. I disagree with Kiper's notion in this video that our defense was exploited in that game. Given how lousy Brady played with the turnovers, our defense kept us in that game. Without them luck wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Off The Grid]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

I want to call that a record-setting HiJack...but it's probably not even close!!

C'mon, lads: this is an excellent Thread Idea. Can we let this Baltimore bit lie?

Regarding the OP: THIS is what I'm talking about, and why I NUTTED when we got Lloyd, for whom I'd had no regard at all, as recently as two years ago.

Processing Speed.

It wins Championships.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

He will do good. Excited to see him play

 

[ATippett56]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

Can we let this Baltimore bit lie?

In the meantime, the Baltimore Ravens have taken a beating in unrestricted free agency.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

I want to call that a record-setting HiJack...but it's probably not even close!!

C'mon, lads: this is an excellent Thread Idea. Can we let this Baltimore bit lie?

Regarding the OP: THIS is what I'm talking about, and why I NUTTED when we got Lloyd, for whom I'd had no regard at all, as recently as two years ago.

Processing Speed.

It wins Championships.

Didn't mean for it to go so far.

But yeah I'm kind of surprised at the lack of attention the Lloyd signing gets. A lot of what I hear is he's not going to catch 90 balls in that offense. Well duh, no he's not. A lot of people are missing out on the respect factor Lloyd brings to the table and how much it's going to help when it comes to Welker, the TE's and the running game.

 

[patsfan13]

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Didn't mean for it to go so far.

But yeah I'm kind of surprised at the lack of attention the Lloyd signing gets. A lot of what I hear is he's not going to catch 90 balls in that offense. Well duh, no he's not. A lot of people are missing out on the respect factor Lloyd brings to the table and how much it's going to help when it comes to Welker, the TE's and the running game.

Exactly, how many balls each target gets is srcondary to being able to stress the D so that we can move the ball whatever scheme is thrown at us. Lloyd adds an important component to the attack that will make the overall offense better.

This O has the potential to be better than 07.

 

[Off The Grid]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

I want to call that a record-setting HiJack...but it's probably not even close!!

C'mon, lads: this is an excellent Thread Idea. Can we let this Baltimore bit lie?

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Regarding the OP: THIS is what I'm talking about, and why I NUTTED when we got Lloyd, for whom I'd had no regard at all, as recently as two years ago.

Processing Speed.

It wins Championships.

Didn't mean for it to go so far.

But yeah I'm kind of surprised at the lack of attention the Lloyd signing gets. A lot of what I hear is he's not going to catch 90 balls in that offense. Well duh, no he's not. A lot of people are missing out on the respect factor Lloyd brings to the table and how much it's going to help when it comes to Welker, the TE's and the running game.

Exactly, how many balls each target gets is srcondary to being able to stress the D so that we can move the ball whatever scheme is thrown at us. Lloyd adds an important component to the attack that will make the overall offense better.

This O has the potential to be better than 07.

True Story!! :rocker:

I've seen it discussed, but by remarkably few, which I guess is why I feel such a strong need to keep hammering the point: Lloyd's outstanding Processing Speed ~ his ability to Rapidly Read + React after the Snap ~ should provide us our first substantial Horizontal Threat since Moss in 2009.

And in doing so, he consistently Opens Up The Middle.

The Holy Grail, if you will.

And a State of Affairs that Brothers Gronkowski and Hernandez have never yet experienced.

Gronkowski, Welker, Hernandez, and with Lloyd spreading the field, and with Ridley, WoodHead, or the explosive Vereen coming out'f the backfield, led by an excellent, young, and improving O Line, to say nothing of our outstanding Depth of Talent at most or all positions, even before the Draft??

You better believe that this is a deadlier Arsenal than 2007's.

Christmas came early this year, Tom Brady.

 

[Gumby]

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I think and hope Lloyd is going to open another O-wr dimension for pats; BUT.....

I don't think the reasons the OP and Dilfer cite are directly going to mean much. I can't recall ever hearing the term "second reaction receiver" before today so am also not sure if I understand what everyone may infer from that term, but my take:

they are talking about after the play breaks down and the original routes are all covered; essentially when the play turns into 'sand-lot football'.

Well, my impression is that TB tends to get rid of the ball before we get to that point a lot. Sure we have the plays like the one where he waved Branch or the one with Welker; but for the most part he is hitting an open option somewhere - especially since he feels confident enough to throw into spaces other QBs won't necessarily.

So I just dont see a lot of plays going 5 secs for this 'second reaction' to come into play.

(again that same skill set in lloyd may make for him to be much more successful because he chooses the better option from the Pats 'complex route tree'. but I just dont see tons of opportunities for freelancing.)

 

[supafly]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

I think and hope Lloyd is going to open another O-wr dimension for pats; BUT.....

I don't think the reasons the OP and Dilfer cite are directly going to mean much. I can't recall ever hearing the term "second reaction receiver" before today so am also not sure if I understand what everyone may infer from that term, but my take:

they are talking about after the play breaks down and the original routes are all covered; essentially when the play turns into 'sand-lot football'.

Well, my impression is that TB tends to get rid of the ball before we get to that point a lot. Sure we have the plays like the one where he waved Branch or the one with Welker; but for the most part he is hitting an open option somewhere - especially since he feels confident enough to throw into spaces other QBs won't necessarily.

So I just dont see a lot of plays going 5 secs for this 'second reaction' to come into play.

(again that same skill set in lloyd may make for him to be much more successful because he chooses the better option from the Pats 'complex route tree'. but I just dont see tons of opportunities for freelancing.)

I would tend to agree with your point.

There will likely still be some opportunities, although probably way more limited than Dilfer is suggesting. Hopefully if/when those opportunities come, it will work out in a successful way. I suppose you never know when that one big play is going to come in a postseason game, so maybe we'll luck out for a change with an important Brandon Llyod freelance play.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

I think and hope Lloyd is going to open another O-wr dimension for pats; BUT.....

I don't think the reasons the OP and Dilfer cite are directly going to mean much. I can't recall ever hearing the term "second reaction receiver" before today so am also not sure if I understand what everyone may infer from that term, but my take:

they are talking about after the play breaks down and the original routes are all covered; essentially when the play turns into 'sand-lot football'.

Well, my impression is that TB tends to get rid of the ball before we get to that point a lot. Sure we have the plays like the one where he waved Branch or the one with Welker; but for the most part he is hitting an open option somewhere - especially since he feels confident enough to throw into spaces other QBs won't necessarily.

So I just dont see a lot of plays going 5 secs for this 'second reaction' to come into play.

(again that same skill set in lloyd may make for him to be much more successful because he chooses the better option from the Pats 'complex route tree'. but I just dont see tons of opportunities for freelancing.)

That term is probably Dilfer's not a league or media recognized term, but it happens a lot. Even Brady does it more than you suggest. It doesn't require a QB running around like Roethlisberger. All it takes is Brady having to shuffle a yard or two one way or another. It isn't uncommon for a WR to adjust his route based on the pressure on the QB especially vertical WRs who require the QB to hold onto the ball a bit longer.

Is it one of the bigger traits needed for a WR? I don't know. But it is bigger than you suggest.

 

[wistahpatsfan]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

I think and hope Lloyd is going to open another O-wr dimension for pats; BUT.....

I don't think the reasons the OP and Dilfer cite are directly going to mean much. I can't recall ever hearing the term "second reaction receiver" before today so am also not sure if I understand what everyone may infer from that term, but my take:

they are talking about after the play breaks down and the original routes are all covered; essentially when the play turns into 'sand-lot football'.

Well, my impression is that TB tends to get rid of the ball before we get to that point a lot. Sure we have the plays like the one where he waved Branch or the one with Welker; but for the most part he is hitting an open option somewhere - especially since he feels confident enough to throw into spaces other QBs won't necessarily.

So I just dont see a lot of plays going 5 secs for this 'second reaction' to come into play.

(again that same skill set in lloyd may make for him to be much more successful because he chooses the better option from the Pats 'complex route tree'. but I just dont see tons of opportunities for freelancing.)

Overall your point is right, but there are parts of the game, particularly at the end when the opposing D is gassed and getting less pressure or falling off the routes early. That's where TB used to kill other teams and shred their D- especially in the playoffs where the intensity level is on "11" from the opening snap on. He seemed to lack that option especially last year, and even with that problem, he got us to the SB (which we should have won- I believe we win that game with Lloyd). Brady's ability to extend the play by moving in the pocket (remember that?) might be restored with Lloyd being open at the other end of the play.

Great pickup by BB. As good as hitting a HR in the draft.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Trent Dilfer: Brandon Lloyd on of the best second reaction receivers in the leagu

I would tend to agree with your point.

There will likely still be some opportunities, although probably way more limited than Dilfer is suggesting. Hopefully if/when those opportunities come, it will work out in a successful way. I suppose you never know when that one big play is going to come in a postseason game, so maybe we'll luck out for a change with an important Brandon Llyod freelance play.

Must resist using an obvious example of this... in the biggest game of the friggin year

 

[BlueThunder]

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Lloyd should make a BIG difference in the offense this season. Ocho was invisible...Brandon won't be. You can bet Brady will be working closely with him. Ocho will be relegated to tweeting on the inactive list if he even makes the roster.

 

[Sivy]

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Am i the only won who knew if the fg was made in the ravens game that it would have only been a tie?

 

[Kjmass1]

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Am i the only won who knew if the fg was made in the ravens game that it would have only been a tie?

Yeah stripped TD catch prevents the loss, missed FG prevents the tie.

 

[TruthSeeker]

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And the Giants were seriously lucky to beat the Patriots and win the Super Bowl. Luck is part of the game.

Wait, did I watch a different game. In the Super Bowl I watched, I believe the Giants had the ball 38 minutes and we had it 22 minutes. The only luck I saw go the Giants way was some fumbles. They beat us fair and square, and were the better team, both times. I hate when people make excuses. I love the Patriots as much as the next guy, but let's face it, the Giants outplayed the Pats, period.