PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Training Camp Day 11 - August 5

[Patjew]

How about some perspective.

2 years ago, Bourne was treated like s**t by Fat Matt because Bourne had actually played in a Shanahan Outside Zone system and told Fatt Matt that he was doing it wrong,. Patricia refused to listen and doghoused Bourne. Despite being Doghoused, Bourne was still on his way to 800 yards before he tore his ACL.

Last year, he was coming back from the torn ACL and had to put up with the crappy coaching.


2017 - QB Merry-go-round with Garoppolo, Berthard, Hoyer. Rookie Year. 5th WR in terms of targets.
2018 - Bourne led ALL 49ers WRs in Yardage, Targets and receptions despite not being the #1 WR.
2019 - 3rd behind Deebo Samuel and Emmanuel Sanders
2020 - #2 behind Aiyuk in Receptions.
2022 - Mac Jones Rookie Year.

BTW, the 49ers have their really awesome TE by the name of George Kittle. He's been a top receiver for them and led them in target numerous times. Like in 2018 & 2019.

Bourne has the ability to be a solid #2/#3 receiver. No one is saying he's going to put up 1600 yards. But when you watch the offense when he's on the field, it takes on another level. Even last year when they weren't playing him much.

I feel bad for Bourne. His career has been derailed by injuries and bad coaching. He seems like a good guy and is in very good shape.

 

[KCSVEN]

The length of the Stevenson fumbling reputation is WAY overblown. It doesn't match up with the facts. In his 4 years he has fumbled 2-4-1 and 7 times. Yes, last year it WAS a problem, but it is made to seem like he fumbles all the time. Also when a RB fumbles a QB exchange it might not be his fault, though the fumble is credited to him. Just like a pick of pass deflected off the receiver's hands still goes to the QB.

I have no idea why Stevenson doubled his 3 year total in one season, but a single fumble leaves everyone thinks he's always been a fumble machine and that is just NOT the case. BTW- EVERY RB fumbles the ball every now and then. He never rushed for less than 4ypc in a season and is good after contact. We are lucky to have him, especially since all the rest of our RB's are on the small side (Gibson Larison and the 2nd rounder)

Could be right but it's a concern because the # of fumbles last year is extremely high and he continued fumbling after trying to make adjustments to not fumble. Is it possible the league figured out he's susceptible to punching the ball out and stripping it and have increased attempts to make him fumble and he has not fixed it?

I just watched all his fumbles from last year and they are not good. Maybe 1-2 of them were aggressive attacks on the ball. At most he should have fumbled twice. 4-5 of the fumbles were clearly poor ball protection.

Fumbles:
Bengals: Punched out pretty easily
Seahawks: Red Zone Punched out
Jets: Stripped aggressively but saw the guy and had two hands on ball and was still stripped
49ers: guy just stuck one hand in and easily ripped it out
Colts: stripped easily
Bills: punched out as going to the ground

I believe the other fumble was the toss to him near the end zone.

Chuck Knoblauch was in the majors for 10 years before he had the yips and never recovered so all we can go on is recent history and last year it was VERY BAD. Probably the worst fumbler in the NFL.

SO, yeah, his history might be exaggerated by people on an internet message board (big shock!), it is still a MAJOR concern until he proves he fixed those issues from last year because he 100% had ball protection issues last year.

 

[Kdo5]

Bedard doesn't expect you to agree with him all the time and I don't, but he'll give you his honest opinion and back it up with logical reasons.

Hell, I'm wondering about this summer vacation of a TC myself. I wondered if they are running the hill or doing anything cardio vascular at the end of practice? No one's replied back.

I think Bedard raises a very fair point. If the goal of a super light training camp has been to minimize injuries it’s failed. What else is the purpose?

 

[Ring 6]

Could be right but it's a concern because the # of fumbles last year is extremely high and he continued fumbling after trying to make adjustments to not fumble. Is it possible the league figured out he's susceptible to punching the ball out and stripping it and have increased attempts to make him fumble and he has not fixed it?

I just watched all his fumbles from last year and they are not good. Maybe 1-2 of them were aggressive attacks on the ball. At most he should have fumbled twice. 4-5 of the fumbles were clearly poor ball protection.

Fumbles:
Bengals: Punched out pretty easily
Seahawks: Red Zone Punched out
Jets: Stripped aggressively but saw the guy and had two hands on ball and was still stripped
49ers: guy just stuck one hand in and easily ripped it out
Colts: stripped easily
Bills: punched out as going to the ground

I believe the other fumble was the toss to him near the end zone.

Chuck Knoblauch was in the majors for 10 years before he had the yips and never recovered so all we can go on is recent history and last year it was VERY BAD. Probably the worst fumbler in the NFL.

SO, yeah, his history might be exaggerated by people on an internet message board (big shock!), it is still a MAJOR concern until he proves he fixed those issues from last year because he 100% had ball protection issues last year.

But he did improve. He had 4 fumbles, 2 lost in the first 4 games in 74 touches.
The rest of the season he had 3 and only 1 lost in 166.

 

[jimnance]

I just wasn't sure if I was missing something else

Ain't old age fun?

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[Brotherblues]

Anyone who doesn't have Baker making the team has been asleep this camp.

 

[Clonamery]

Anyone who doesn't have Baker making the team has been asleep this camp.

'Highest of highs and lowest of lows' means what to you? Questionable or not questionable?

 

[Brotherblues]

'Highest of highs and lowest of lows' means what to you? Questionable or not questionable?

He's been showing up every day. Every camp day thread has him highlited at some point. And Diggs going out of his way in social media to defend Baker as a hard-working good kid whom we should get behind... that's icing on the cake.

 

[Clonamery]

He's been showing up every day. Every camp day thread has him highlited at some point. And Diggs going out of his way in social media to defend Baker as a hard-working good kid whom we should get behind... that's icing on the cake.

He's dumb and that's an issue.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

I know you guys probably hate our guts but good luck to you guys on your season. I hope you guys stay healthy and have a good one.

Who are you?

 

[Headcase]

Give me a Safety who covers like a CB Ed Reed Style.

Guys that can cover like Reed play CB...they get paid better.

 

[fnordcircle]

I feel bad for Bourne. His career has been derailed by injuries and bad coaching. He seems like a good guy and is in very good shape.

Bourne seems like the kind of guy who brings some additional value that fans can't see so they dismiss it. You can't run a team like it's Madden 2025 and just stack stats. Chemistry and character still ****ing matter.

 

[mike_usagisan]

'Highest of highs and lowest of lows' means what to you? Questionable or not questionable?

The highest of questionable and the lowest of questionable.

 

[captain stone]

Considering he was injured for some of his Rookie Season, and the absolute nightmare that last season's coaching staff and overall team was, he has time and now the OL Coaches that will help him improve.

Wallace Sucks. Period. MULTIPLE-round overdraft.

 

[captain stone]

Building up his trade value... Good...

 

[captain stone]

Mack Hollins will make this team

Agreed; too bad unfortunately, because the dude really ****ing Sucks and is Stealing snaps from younger, more deserving candidates, ie: the Chism Trail.

 

[signbabybrady]

Agreed; too bad unfortunately, because the dude really ****ing Sucks and is Stealing snaps from younger, more deserving candidates, ie: the Chism Trail.

Nothings being stolen it must be earned either Chism beats out Hollins or he doesn't. I haven't been very high on either but thus far from my eyes Hollins is slightly ahead of Chism. I suppose upside should play a part in the decision but there's still time too for either to take a stronger hold or for neither to and Polk or Baker could claim it. Or any combination.

 

[captain stone]

Could be right but it's a concern because the # of fumbles last year is extremely high and he continued fumbling after trying to make adjustments to not fumble. Is it possible the league figured out he's susceptible to punching the ball out and stripping it and have increased attempts to make him fumble and he has not fixed it?

I just watched all his fumbles from last year and they are not good. Maybe 1-2 of them were aggressive attacks on the ball. At most he should have fumbled twice. 4-5 of the fumbles were clearly poor ball protection.

Fumbles:
Bengals: Punched out pretty easily
Seahawks: Red Zone Punched out
Jets: Stripped aggressively but saw the guy and had two hands on ball and was still stripped
49ers: guy just stuck one hand in and easily ripped it out
Colts: stripped easily
Bills: punched out as going to the ground

I believe the other fumble was the toss to him near the end zone.

Chuck Knoblauch was in the majors for 10 years before he had the yips and never recovered so all we can go on is recent history and last year it was VERY BAD. Probably the worst fumbler in the NFL.

SO, yeah, his history might be exaggerated by people on an internet message board (big shock!), it is still a MAJOR concern until he proves he fixed those issues from last year because he 100% had ball protection issues last year.

What's even worse is the Fumbler's attitude about his fumbling, as if it's no big deal, and that careless, lackadaisical attitude has carried-over to this year too.

The Fumbler will Not be here this time next year. Book it.

 

[captain stone]

Anyone who doesn't have Baker making the team has been asleep this camp.

I still don't. I hope he's traded. He never should've been drafted here in the first place.