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Trade with Cowboys possible, Pioli in Dallas, Cowboy scout here

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Hoodie said:
correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't Branch still be under the contract he has issues with? So trading him to Dallas would just mean he would hold out there too. Unless Dallas gave him all the money and I don't think Parcells will do that. Anyone one know how much salary cap room Dallas has?
d%#*!@t man, we're not dealing with reality here!
 
Richter said:
Gorin for Shanle would be a solid swap for both teams.

On the face of it, a sensible and realistic trade that should be a modest help for both teams. So it can't be true, right?

To the poster who dismissed Shanle as "Beisel redux," it seems to me there's a vast difference: Shanle is an actual living, breathing linebacker. Beisel was a DE who had one transition year at OLB for the Chiefs. Shanle was an OLB at Nebraska and has a couple years under his belt at ILB in an NFL 3-4. Nobody's pretending he's dominant but he shouldn't have that deer in the headlights look.
 
patsox23 said:
insane theories on this thread:

T.O. being traded

Branch being traded

getting Bradie James


You people need to take your head out of the clouds. This is the bottom line for me: Gorin for Shanle? Fine. O'Callaghan for Shanle? NO THANKS.

I don't get the insanity about Bradie James. We're not talking a Pro-Bowler, we're talking a typical starting linebacker. If Dallas is after a starting tackle, either Gorin or Kaczur, why are you satisfied in not getting a starting-quality player in return? Don't sell Gorin short, he's a three-year semi-starter, and would be one of the Cowboy's best lineman.

My feeling is that if we're going to trade a lineman, trade Koppen as he heads into his free-agency year and coming off major injury. Hochstein is signed for a few years and looked fine playing center last year. Either Mruczkowski, Yates, Barthelmes, or Stevenson could back him up.
 
MDPATSFAN said:
It's obvious that Dallas is seeking to reunite the potent Bledsoe-Faulk connection. The league's most immobile QB needs a safety outlet. The Pats have plenty of personnel to fill his limited role.

They have Marion Barber for that role, catches the ball well out of backfield.
 
mgteich said:
Say it ten times, drink the kool-aid, and you'll better in the morning. Branch would be my first guess with regard to discussions, but perhaps not with regard to final outcome. Unless bb thinks a lot more of Britt than we know, and Kaycur is ready for practice, I cna't see bb giving up an OT. It is only here on this board that Gorin is useless. For dante, he and Hochstein are strong veteran backups, always needed.


Hey everyone, we finally found the Brandon Gorin Fan Club (population: 1)!

But seriously, you and I have no idea how healthy/hurt Kaczur is at the moment. BB knows. This deal gets done if BB feels Kaczur will be ready by the 3rd game of the season (after the first two cupcakes).

BB/Pioli loves Kaczur who drew (rare) raves from opposing DE's last year. Once Kaczur is healthy, Gorin is, at best, a #2. As O'Callaghan and Britt progress, Gorin will be sinking fast from #2.

Once again, the wildcard is Kaczur's health. BB knows. We don't.

But the basis is: Currently, Gorin is #1 at RT. In the intermediate-term ,when Kaczur is back, he'll be #2. In the long-term, if either one of O'Callaghan or Britt progress, he'll be #3 or #4.
 
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18 receptions in thirteen games is catching the ball "well"? The guy has an even worse fumble to touch ratio than Faulk too.

I'm beginning to think all the years of an anemic Patriots running game have lowered expectations of what is an acceptable running game. There is a reason why so many draft picks were dedicated to the running game this year.
 
It wont be Branch. Cowboy fans were saying its Gorin i believe on another board and asked if a 6th rounder + shanle or fowler would work
 
I'm too lazy to look it up, but Dat Ngyuen is no longer with Dallas, correct?
 
he retired from injuries yes.

oh btw..TO isnt going anywhere this year..and i dont think we would be looking at their inside LBs who are decent for Branch..unless we get a 2nd rounder aswell

Guys i might be interested in from Dallas: Ellis, Ayoedele, Shanle

they wont trade their first rounder..Ware is a beast so we he wont..rest might be avaible but if its for Gorin..the Dallas scouts wont find a lot to like
 
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Remix 6 said:
he retired from injuries yes.
Too bad. I liked him. I heard he was having injury issues.
 
CrazyDave said:
I'm too lazy to look it up, but Dat Ngyuen is no longer with Dallas, correct?

I am fairly sure he retired.

OOPS Too late.

Anyway, I think we could Ayoedele or Shanle for Gorin.

They realy need a decent tackle and have an over load on ILB. They know they can not keep them all to begin with.
 
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We need a #3 and a #4

shmessy said:
Hey everyone, we finally found the Brandon Gorin Fan Club (population: 1)!

But seriously, you and I have no idea how healthy/hurt Kaczur is at the moment. BB knows. This deal gets done if BB feels Kaczur will be ready by the 3rd game of the season (after the first two cupcakes).

BB/Pioli loves Kaczur who drew (rare) raves from opposing DE's last year. Once Kaczur is healthy, Gorin is, at best, a #2. As O'Callaghan and Britt progress, Gorin will be sinking fast from #2.

Once again, the wildcard is Kaczur's health. BB knows. We don't.

But the basis is: Currently, Gorin is #1 at RT. In the intermediate-term ,when Kaczur is back, he'll be #2. In the long-term, if either one of O'Callaghan or Britt progress, he'll be #3 or #4.
 
PatsFanInVa said:
As you can see, the tongue was in cheek by the end... and the beginning was a "things that make you go hmmmm", not a "most likely case." Most likely case is the OL/LB situation... maybe Bill P liked what he's seen of The O'C, and wants to know more.... and BB, however much he might like The O'C, is going to get a 'backer. Of course we WANT Parcells to take Gorin away so we can watch The O'C develop, based on one pre-season game... but his stock is high at this point, and probably occluding the fact that he has a lot to learn.

By the end of the post, I was really just rhapodizing about how beautiful a world without head case wide receivers would be.

HEY, just thought of this: MAYBE WE'RE GETTING DREW BACK! This Brady kid is okay but just doesn't have the arm strength, and he runs around too much in the pocket.

PFnV


The O'C lmao
 
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mgteich said:
We need a #3 and a #4

Not as much as we need a #1 ILB to pair with Tedy. Priorities.
 
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14thDragon said:
I am fairly sure he retired.

OOPS Too late.

Anyway, I think we could Ayoedele or Shanle for Gorin.

They realy need a decent tackle and have an over load on ILB. They know they can not keep them all to begin with.
Anyone know much about either of these guys?
Once again, too busy (lazy) to look it up. lol
 
not sure we can get Ayoedele..he just signed with them but he got hurt and dropped in depth i believe
 
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Aug 13 2006 - LB Greg Ellis is no longer disgruntled. He's not yet comfortable but he does see the vision in the team's decision to move him from defensive end to linebacker. It certainly looked like a solid move against the Seahawks, with Ellis recording a sack and a tackle on a receiver in coverage. "I'm glad we got it out of the way," Ellis said. "I feel better about the position, but still realizing I've got a lot of things to learn." Ellis said making plays helps his confidence. He was most pleased with the play on the sideline against receiver Bobby Engram. "My main deal was just being able to tackle guys in the open field on solo tackles," Ellis said, "because I'm like, 'I'm by myself, I'm going to look bad if I miss him and it's going to hurt the team if I miss him.' "That's one of the challenging things that you have to do at that position, is make open-field tackles."

Jul 31 2006 - DE Greg Ellis remains disgruntled. He arrived in training camp saying he didn't want to be here because the team didn't honor his request for a new contract or a trade. Cowboys coach Bill Parcells is not listening. He says Ellis is a big part of the team and is expected to play a big role in 2006. As of now he says Ellis has two choices, play here or retire.

Jul 28 2006 - DE Greg Ellis arrived at training camp, but made it clear he doesn't want to be with the Cowboys, who are likely to diminish Ellis' role in a 3-4 defense, especially with up-and-comer Chris Canty entering his second season. "All I have to say is that I don't want to be here," Ellis said.

Jul 25 2006 - DE Greg Ellis remains unhappy about his likely drop in playing time, but his agent said Ellis will report to training camp on time despite not getting more guaranteed money in his contract as desired.

Jun 9 2006 - DE Greg Ellis, unhappy with his role and demanding a new contract, skipped the organized team activity days last week. He showed up for the mandatory minicamp the weekend before, but did not return for the voluntary practice sessions when it became the clear the Cowboys weren't going to meet demands for a new deal. Now Ellis said he wants the Cowboys to trade or release him. He will report to training camp in July if he is still on the roster. But he said it would not be a good situation for him or the Cowboys. "As long as they are committed to me, I will do whatever they want me to do," Ellis said. "If the level of commitment isn't there, how do you expect me to play the kind of roles you want me to play? My heart will not feel the same. It would be best for me to not be here." Ellis wanted the Cowboys to show some commitment to him by restructuring his contract and giving him a serious financial guarantee by bringing some of the money in his deal forward in a bonus. His contract runs through 2009 and includes salaries of $2.25 million, $2.5 million, $3.325 million and $4.15 million over the next four years. He has already received a $500,000 roster bonus for 2006. He feels he is playing on a series of one-year deals after being benched last season in favor of Chris Canty because Canty was a better fit for the 3-4. Ellis still tied for the team lead in sacks with eight and remains one of two proven pass rushers on the team.
 
Yet another case of the media's misinformation and fans hyperventilating.

The facts of the situation is that Scott Pioli was simply returning Dallas Parcells after the warranty period. Blown out of proportion.
 
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