"Top 30 pick before the injury"

[MrNathanDrake]

This is what a lot of people say about Dominique Easley.

While I like the pick, I do think it's extremely risky and I hate hearing this quote about him being a "top 10 talent before injury" or "top 25 pick before the season started" etc etc etc.... which is what people are repeating over and over.

It's one of the more irrelevant things you can say about a player. Those rankings change drastically throughout the college season and combine.


Will Sutton was also a top 20 pick before he put on so much weight and had a horrible senior year. (mid round pick)

Tahj Boyd was supposed to be a top 20 pick (fell into oblivion)

Marqise lee was supposed to be a top 5 pick (fell to 2nd rd)

Jackson Jeffcoat a top 30 pick (went Undrafted)

There's many others too. If you look at the previous year, Matt Barkley was mocked as the #1 QB prior to the year he was drafted. Sam Montgomery DE LSU was mocked as a top 5 pick. etc.

 

[mmasterkillah]

Like I say, once the first round ends, there are no more first-round picks available. The media BS projections never mattered, but they sure don't matter anymore. Players' values are set based upon where they were picked on draft day, not speculation before or after the fact.

The only accurate thing to say about the pick is that "Dominique Easley was the 29th pick for the Patriots", whether you like it or not... the Patriots seemed to be content with it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It is more relevant regarding Easley because he didn't have a chance to rise or fall due to his injury and lack of participation in the scouting process. combines, etc. He was a consensus top 10 pick "last we knew," whereas the other players you cite were since deemed to be a lower value due to the evaluation process.

Common sense tells us that the Patriots view him as an elite talent, which is why they drafted him despite the risk.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Instead of saying he was a top 30 pick before the injury, how about we say....


wait for it....






















He is a top 30 pick after the injury. The guy is coming off a year of not playing football and still went in the top 30. Think about that for a second.

 

[VrabelJr]

I was a top 1 pick before I never played football.

 

[Danger Zone]

And let's not have anyone pretend that Easley was a "reach" in regards to speculation he would be there in the 2nd round.

It should be all but conclusive that Seattle was going to pick him at 32.

I respect the Seahawks drafting on defense enough that I equate this to having been a bit of a steal.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

And let's not have anyone pretend that Easley was a "reach" in regards to speculation he would be there in the 2nd round.

It should be all but conclusive that Seattle was going to pick him at 32.

I respect the Seahawks drafting on defense enough that I equate this to having been a bit of a steal.

Seahawks first rd picks on defense haven't been all that good.

It's their mid-late-undrafted players that made that defense really good.

 

[Danger Zone]

Seahawks first rd picks on defense haven't been all that good.

It's their mid-late-undrafted players that made that defense really good.

Interesting fact. This includes just the last three years under Carrol and Sneider?

That tells me that the Draft really is a crap-shoot even by the experts.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Seahawks first rd picks on defense haven't been all that good.

It's their mid-late-undrafted players that made that defense really good.

what are you implying by this?

 

[MrNathanDrake]

what are you implying by this?

just because the seahawks wanted a player in the 1st rd, it doesn't automatically mean it's the right choice (Bruce Irvin for example)

 

[Danger Zone]

Http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...awks-traded-down-after-patriots-picked-easley

Http://blog.seattlepi.com/seahawksd...wks-trade-down-to-40-wont-pick-until-day-two/

Http://seahawksdraftblog.com/final-thoughts-seattles-2014-draft-not-that-unpredictable

EDIT: OK I see the point you're trying to make. I was in reply mode finding links when you responded.

Still, two NFL teams wanted Easley as a late first round pick. That means something. And I have to disagree that Seattles first round picks are subpar.

 

[VrabelJr]

Seahawks first rd picks on defense haven't been all that good.

It's their mid-late-undrafted players that made that defense really good.

The Seahawks have only drafted two players on defense in the first round since Pete Carroll became head coach - Earl Thomas and Bruce Irvin. The former is an absolute stud and the latter was considered a massive reach at #15 overall in 2012. A lot of people on this board thought we would draft Irvin and just about crapped their pants when he went so high. We likely traded up to grab Chandler Jones in a "holy ****, I can't believe the Bears and Seahawks took Irvin and McClellin over Jones" moment because we only had to move from 25 to 21 instead of 25 to 14.

I agree with you though, the success of that Seattle defense is because of their mid to late round picks (Sherman, Chancellor, Thurmond, Malcolm Smith etc.) and a couple really solid grabs in the 2nd/3rd (Wagner, Wright). They still have some young and really interesting talent in Jordan Hill, Jesse Williams and Tharold Simon, too. Ughh.

 

[TriplecHamp]

just because the seahawks wanted a player in the 1st rd, it doesn't automatically mean it's the right choice (Bruce Irvin for example)

this is a given but its no different in any other round. Its not like the Hawks are better talent evaluators after the 1st round is over. No team is 100% drafting in any round. It does speak volumes that a team like Seattle who's made its name off defensive talent with violent/physical play styles in the front 7 thought highly enough of Easily to make him their selection and think that he would be an impact player for them.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

The Seahawks have only drafted two players on defense in the first round since Pete Carroll became head coach - Earl Thomas and Bruce Irvin. The former is an absolute stud and the latter was considered a massive reach at #15 overall in 2012. A lot of people on this board thought we would draft Irvin and just about crapped their pants when he went so high. We likely traded up to grab Chandler Jones in a "holy ****, I can't believe the Bears and Seahawks took Irvin and McClellin over Jones" moment because we only had to move from 25 to 21 instead of 25 to 14.

I agree with you though, the success of that Seattle defense is because of their mid to late round picks (Sherman, Chancellor, Thurmond, Malcolm Smith etc.) and a couple really solid grabs in the 2nd/3rd (Wagner, Wright). They still have some young and really interesting talent in Jordan Hill, Jesse Williams and Tharold Simon, too. Ughh.

Disagree.

Irvin was a huge reach, and I don't recall anyone ever mocking him to the Pats.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Disagree.

Irvin was a huge reach, and I don't recall anyone ever mocking him to the Pats.

Oh we mocked him alright. But as a late 2nd or early 3rd.

 

[RayClay]

He was comparable to Donald, some say better. They wanted that type of interior pass rusher and drafted him despite the injury history. What's so hard to understand?

 

[VrabelJr]

Disagree.

Irvin was a huge reach, and I don't recall anyone ever mocking him to the Pats.

I called Irvin a reach in my post...

 

[MadMartigan]

I think it was about time that Bill actually picked someone with a High Ceiling instead of the typical High floor pick like Mankins. We are talking about the Seahawks and what they do and they seem to be good at picking those types of prospects (High Ceiling) and getting a lot out of them. I think that Easley is one of those risks worth taking a chance on and the reward could be great, We need to take a risk and he seems much more willing to do what it takes to ensure that.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

i guess my point is we should never say "top 10 pick" before such and such... because it changes so much during the course of the NCAA season and the Combine/ProDays... Look at Teddy Bridgewater too.

Bridgewater was a consensus Top 3 pick, and the #1 QB until his Pro Day. Then he slipped almost to the 2nd rd.

 

[RayClay]

i guess my point is we should never say "top 10 pick" before such and such... because it changes so much during the course of the NCAA season and the Combine/ProDays... Look at Teddy Bridgewater too.

Bridgewater was a consensus Top 3 pick, and the #1 QB until his Pro Day. Then he slipped almost to the 2nd rd.

What the pundits think are the pick rankings mean a lot less than what the coaches think. Of course the coaches don't publish a list of these things, but you can get an idea from interviews and such.

You'd think Louis Nix was a top 15 pick by rankings after the season, but without playing another game, he ended up in the third round.

People need to get over the idea that these media people know what the coaches want, very few do.