Tom Brady's numbers as of week 14

[TheGreatestEVER]

Rodgers has been awesome this year, but I'll take Brady . I was actually looking at Brady's stats since 2007 excluding 2008 and Its actually amazing the numbers he has put up compared to the other top QB's.





I honestly think that Brees is a better Quarterback than Peyton during this period of time, but in that group no one is close to Brady in rating and T.D's. Also the Int number is crazy with only Rodgers comparable.

I can really see why Rodgers would get all the love, he is that good. The only difference between Rodgers and Brady is the number of options Rodgers has, it amazes me how open these guys are. Also Rodgers is very mobile outside the pocket which makes him even more dangerous. I'm really happy that there is at least one good QB comparable to the levels of Brady, Brees, & Manning that will be playing after they retire.

Its sad, but I don't think that the new generation is all that impressive. Ryan is okay, Flacco (STINKS!!) is an over glorified Sanchez with a top defense. The future are Rodgers, Rivers (if he gets back to form), and maybe Stafford and Newton (the guy is better than I thought).

All I know is, yeah Brady has Welker and GRONK, but i think his numbers have been more impressive than Rodgers considering the level of pass defenses they have both faced. Take away three of those fluke interceptions (bouncing off helmets) against Buffalo and Brady's stats are as follows;

66.1% COM, 33TD, 8 INT, 4273 YDs, & a 109 passer rating.

Compared to Rodger's;

69.6% COM, 39TD, 6 INT, 4125 YDs, & a 123 passer rating.

I think passer rating difference is indicative of the level of competition in terms of pass defenses, and the number of TD's is due to the number of turnovers that D gets. He has a lot of extra possessions and short fields. That D might allow a lot of yards, but man do they cause turnovers.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Don't forget the 3 W's: Wes Welker Wins

Brady has been tremendous in past years spreading the ball to all the receivers. This year it's the Wes and Gronk show.

I've been rather concerned with our dependence on Welker and Gronkowski, but it's hard to argue with 1st place in the AFC East. Just hope it isn't the team's undoing in the playoffs.

I dont understand that way of thinking, of course your going to rely on your better players, at least we have two guys to rely on.

 

[Deus Irae]

I dont understand that way of thinking, of course your going to rely on your better players, at least we have two guys to rely on.

Watch the BB documentary that recently aired...

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Here's a link to the all-time single-season passing yards leaderboard:

NFL Single-Season Passing Yards Leaders - Pro-Football-Reference.com

The top ten is all in the 2000s, except for Marino at #1 (5,084) in 1984, Fouts at #5 (4,802) in 1981, Marino at #7 (4,746) in 1986, and Fouts at #9 (4,715) in 1980.

In case you're curious, the highest any 1970s season is was Fouts at #77 (4,082) in 1979, the highest any 1960s season is was Namath at #90 (4,007) in 1967, the highest any 1950s season is was Unitas at #530 (2,899), the highest any 1940s season is was Baugh at #506 (2,988), and the highest any 1930s season is was O'Brien at #1584 (1,324) in 1939.

You can get stuff like that from their Play Season Finder search tool:

Player Season Finder - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[Jackson 2]

Wes Welker is the best SLOT WR of all time. He is not a # 1 Wide Receiver. He doesn't have the physical tools. He is not a Hakeem Nicks, let alone a Calvin Johnson.

Jesus, Hakeem Nicks!! Thanks for the laugh before I retire for the evening! That's a good one...

 

[strngplyr]

The top ten is all in the 2000s, except for Marino at #1 (5,084) in 1984, Fouts at #5 (4,802) in 1981, Marino at #7 (4,746) in 1986, and Fouts at #9 (4,715) in 1980.

Have to admit, you gave me a decent laugh saying they were all in the 2000's then naming nearly half of the list being almost 3 decades old.

 

[TheGreatestEVER]

Have to admit, you gave me a decent laugh saying they were all in the 2000's then naming nearly half of the list being almost 3 decades old.

It looks like the 1980's are the equivalent of the 2000's. I think their were significant rule changes geared to help offenses in the 80's, and over time D's caught up, until the major changes in the 00's.

I honestly think the numbers will return to the norm, with only the elite QB's having ridiculous statistic year in year out.

Btw, i knew Fouts was good, but HOLY!!!! He was just as big of a statistical machine as was Marino, considering Fouts played half his career in the 70's.

 

[supafly]

Wow, after looking at his qb records, I am amazed--what a poor memory i have. I thought that he had no interceptions in that first full year when BB held his passing in check, and the stats say 12. Oh well only 4 a couple years ago. Only two years with zero were the injured year and the year he played one game--not what i had in mind.

Those years are one in the same, you are referring to the 2008 season when he went down in the first 5 minutes of the season. That is both the year he got injured, and the year where he only played one game. They're the same things, and no one really counts the 2008 season anyway. Why would you, it was only 1/2 a quarter?

Every single year that Brady has played, he has had between 12-14 INT's, with the obvious exception of 2010 (36 TD's, only 4 INT's).

Seeing as how he has 11 INT's this season too, with 3 whole games to go, I would imagine that he'll continue to fall within that 12-14 INT range. A pick in the next 3 games is certainly not out of the question.

 

[Joker]

something never heard in the SF super bowl years...

I've been rather concerned with our dependence on Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark, but it's hard to argue with 1st place in the NFC West. Just hope it isn't the team's undoing in the playoffs.

never fails...every day brings a new imagined terror from the depths of paranoia land....they should trash the Patriots label and replace it with Bawktriots...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Watch the BB documentary that recently aired...

The difference was, at that point, when Welker was out and Edelman in his place, Edelman was usually the second best receiver on the field.

Now, if you take out Welker and GRONK, there's still Branch and Hernandez to contend with.

 

[strngplyr]

Those years are one in the same, you are referring to the 2008 season when he went down in the first 5 minutes of the season. That is both the year he got injured, and the year where he only played one game. They're the same things, and no one really counts the 2008 season anyway. Why would you, it was only 1/2 a quarter?

Every single year that Brady has played, he has had between 12-14 INT's, with the obvious exception of 2010 (36 TD's, only 4 INT's).

Seeing as how he has 11 INT's this season too, with 3 whole games to go, I would imagine that he'll continue to fall within that 12-14 INT range. A pick in the next 3 games is certainly not out of the question.

2007 isn't an obvious exception to you as well?

 

[supafly]

I dont understand that way of thinking, of course your going to rely on your better players, at least we have two guys to rely on.

Because it was a concern in the 2009 season, and that's when we actually had a guy who could stretch the field. It may even be more of a concern in the sense that both are short-intermediate route runners.

We've seen Welker get doubled before, and the worry is that eventually a team could possibly match up better than others on Gronkowski. While it's unlikely that could happen one-on-one, the potential team may try its hand at using some form of double coverage on Gronkowski, and taking it's chances with Welker; who could then be possibly thrown off his timing with a bump or two at the line.

Regardless, you're right in a sense, that we at least have 2 very good threats; but when we run into a decent CB (like a Revis or Bailey for example), that opens things up for different schemes to cover those 2. You can match one up one-on-one with a good CB and take your shots, and use some kind of tactic on the other.

Watch the BB documentary that recently aired...

Exactly. Belichick mentions something like (paraphrasing) "If they double Moss and take away Welker, we're done..."

One more viable target could be the difference, and even though Hernandez has been playing very well and offers lots of options, we sure could use just one more option for Brady to really utilize his effectiveness. Hopefully that's Branch of course.

 

[supafly]

2007 isn't an obvious exception to you as well?

Sorry, my brain automatically blocks that season out...

Yes, in 2007 he only threw 8 INT's also. My bad. For some reason, I had thought it was every season but 2010 where he threw between 12-14, but it's every season BUT 2007 (8 INT's) and 2010 (4 INT's). Every other one was between 12-14, at least every other one where he actually played.

Let's just say that every single season he has thrown between 4-14 INT's, and this one won't be any different; but in all but TWO seasons, he has thrown between 12-14.

 

[Joker]

part of one of your posts I find confusing...we already ran into Revis...TWICE...uh...the Patriots won and then...WON BIG...we haven't run into Bailey yet...I fail to see your point in this regard

 

[supafly]

part of one of your posts I find confusing...we already ran into Revis...TWICE...uh...the Patriots won and then...WON BIG...we haven't run into Bailey yet...I fail to see your point in this regard

If you are telling me that you don't think that a good CB can effectively play good coverage on one or the other, and that would limit the offense, then I guess that's your opinion and I respect that.

Even though yes, we won both times this yr, we've all seen what a good CB can do in terms of limiting the offense.

Maybe my example of Revis was a poor example, but going into this yr they certainly struggled in that regard.

 

[supafly]

part of one of your posts I find confusing...we already ran into Revis...TWICE...uh...the Patriots won and then...WON BIG...we haven't run into Bailey yet...I fail to see your point in this regard

The bottom line is that if Belichick himself would be worried about it, I'm not sure why you wouldn't be.

If someone finds a way to double Welker (not just Revis one on one), and matches up better with Gronkowski, then that will certainly cause some problems, no?

We will see in the next 5-6 weeks whether or not it was a problem. I am certainly hoping that it's not...I'm obviously hoping that we can go to Gronk every game for the rest of the year with no trouble whatsoever, but something tells me that a playoff caliber defense will try and take those 2 players out, or at least successfully limit them to some degree.

In the 2nd NYJ game this year, Revis held Welker to 46 yards. There were other factors involved that allowed us to win by such a big margin, hopefully we'll get a game like that from the defense when it matters..but we were talking about offense. And in the first one he also did a decent job for the most part---other than the one play where Wes somehow got behind him. I'm not sure that this offense could survive against top tier competition with someone limiting Welker to 46 yards, but we'll find out soon enough.

Dallas and the Pittsburgh game also come to mind, and those games were obviously quite close. They both limited Welker in many regards.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Wes Welker is the best SLOT WR of all time. He is not a # 1 Wide Receiver. He doesn't have the physical tools. He is not a Hakeem Nicks, let alone a Calvin Johnson.

you do know he's one of only three WR's to have 100+ in 4 seasons, Hakeem Nicks is not even the best WR on he's own team Victor Cruz has more yards rec and TD's then him in only 4 starts

 

[Dutchmaster617]

something never heard in the SF super bowl years...

I've been rather concerned with our dependence on Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark, but it's hard to argue with 1st place in the NFC West. Just hope it isn't the team's undoing in the playoffs.

never fails...every day brings a new imagined terror from the depths of paranoia land....they should trash the Patriots label and replace it with Bawktriots...

Obviously, they had an amazing defense to rely on as well as a run game, try another comparison.

 

[PittPatriot]

Is there a way to determine the following QB stats?
1. number of passes attempted over 15 yds
2. yards after reception

The reason I ask is that the Pats offense and Brady (taking away the Moss era) has probably thrown less passes over 15yds and has as many yds after catch as any QB in memory. It is a credit to his patience that he can work so methodically in this regard and receivers like Gronk and Welker fit this scheme perfectly.

Lastly, it only accentuates how awesome a year Rodgers is having - his completion percentage nears 70% and he certainly slings it all over the place!
I have not watched enough to Brees to know make the same assessment.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

Rodgers doesn't sling it deep a lot actually, and his guys are always open. His Ocho/Branch unlike ours beats corners consistently for first downs.