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The thing is that I don't believe for a second that you truly think that.
Oh gee, so now you're telling me what I do and don't think. After taking my "pants in the family" remark 100% literally and bringing it up about a dozen times, even after I retracted it in about 6 different ways, you are now refusing to believe a statement that I did intend to represent my opinion.

So in otherwords you've decided to pick and choose which of my statements you are going to believe instead of attempting to respond to them logically. Yeah, that's what the world of formal debate calls "epic fail."

See, here's what you need to realize. All I have done is claim there is a chance Brady leaves, which I have estimated at 1/3rd. But I came under all sorts of attack from the "there's no way Brady leaves!" crowd so in order to defend my statement, I had to present a number of scenarios and reasons why Brady could leave.

I guess I see how a simple mind would interpret my statements as being my only belief is that he will leave, but I stand by my ratio. If your best/only response is "I don't believe you believe that!" then that's really your problem.

By the way, that ratio I gave was my 2nd post in this thread (with my first one being the infamous "pants in the family" post). On what planet is standing by a statement you made virtually right off the bat considered "backtracking"?
 
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From the April Vogue article for which she interviewed in late January 2010. I doubt Wolfie read this. Building a $20M mansion in LA may sound like a life altering committment to him. Gisele personally donated $1.5M to Haiti relief. Several of her most recent business ventures were undertaken strictly support environmental and educational charities. She runs most of them via web.
So what you're saying is Gisele gave $1.5 million to Haiti, therefore Tom will remain a Patriot. Yeah that makes sense.

And nothing says "I'm a Bostonian" like building a $20 million mansion in Brentwood, California! The Green Line goes out that far, right?
 
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Oh gee, so now you're telling me what I do and don't think.

When you say something like, "Any impartial observer viewing the situation (and not drinking the kool-aid) sees a quarterback who has already got one foot out the door", I'm going to have trouble believing that you actually think there's a better chance that Brady stays than there isn't. So either you tell me that you changed your mind halfway through this thread and saw the light, or admit that you completely contradicted yourself. Your call.

After taking my "pants in the family" remark 100% literally and bringing it up about a dozen times, even after I retracted it in about 6 different ways, you are now refusing to believe a statement that I did intend to represent my opinion.

Maybe because it was painfully obvious that the "pants in the family" statement wasn't intended to be a joke?

So in otherwords you've decided to pick and choose which of my statements you are going to believe instead of attempting to respond to them logically. Yeah, that's what the world of formal debate calls "epic fail."

I've responded to all of you points logically. Let's count them down, shall we?

1. You pointed out that he owns a $20M mansion in California. I pointed out that he also owns multi-million dollar homes in both NYC and Boston. On top of that, I also pointed out that there are a TON of athletes that own multiple homes in multiple states or countries. That doesn't necessarily mean that they want to live and make their living in those states full time.

2. You said Gisele wears the pants (a point that I absolutely, positively do not believe you meant to be tongue in cheek), I pointed out that there's a difference between discussing your career with your wife (which is what they'll probably do if they're like any normal couple) and letting your wife tell you what to do with your career.

3. You said that moving to California and playing for a California-based team might be best for their children and family, I pointed out that they stay in Boston during the season.

4. You claimed that I'm of the belief that you aren't allowed to post unpopular opinions in the football forum. I countered that I'm a fan of unpopular opinions as long as they have substance behind them, then proceeded to point out what substance is.

5. You said that there are other teams in Califonia other than Oakland, I questioned why Brady would rather play for Singletary than Belichick, then you actually asked me to show you where you said that would be the case. So, wait, you think that San Diego will trade us Rivers for Brady straight up?

6. You said you were speculating and wanted me to do as much. I responded by showing you your first couple of posts and pointed out how they were not speculation and how you've only now backtracked to speculating.

So tell me, Wolfpack, which of your points have I not met head on?

I guess I see how a simple mind would interpret my statements as being my only belief is that he will leave, but I stand by my ratio. If your best/only response is "I don't believe you believe that!" then that's really your problem.

Ah, so now you're in the third stage of your political forum debate tactics handbook. Let me narrow it down...

1. Make assanine statement.
2. When called out on that statement, proceed to backtrack.
3. When backtracking doesn't work, resort to ad hominem.

By the way, that ratio I gave was my 2nd post in this thread (with my first one being the infamous "pants in the family" post). On what planet is standing by a statement you made virtually right off the bat considered "backtracking"?

Really? I beg to differ...

Patriots better do something and they better do something soon - and stop using the CBA as a bullcrap excuse. Any impartial observer viewing the situation (and not drinking the kool-aid) sees a quarterback who has already got one foot out the door.

Yeah I know there's no team in LA but there are an awful lot of NFL cities much close to LA than Foxboro.

^^ There's your first post in the thread. Maybe you meant your second post?

I think you're remembering things that didn't happen. Brady was locked up with 2 years remaining on his current deal last time, so there was nowhere near the level of conversation we are seeing today.
There's also a pretty big pair of "differences" from last time, namely a wife and child that are both based out west - not to mention a $30 million mansion.
I am being perfectly calm, and I am calmly asserting that there is a chance he may not be here next year. Nothing is written in stone either way, but it's a possibility. That's all I am saying.

^^ Second post. Hmm. Perhaps your third?

Yeah, what a ridiculous thing to worry about whether or not the best quarterback to come down the pike since 1980 is going to be playing for our team next year. Let's all go back to talking about Logan Mankins' contract status and who we should draft in the 5th round!

Actually, the "wears the pants " comment was the fourth post you made. It was actually the fifth post that you made the percentages comment, which seems to directly contradict your first post. So please, don't blame me for taking what you said first as your actual opinion especially when your opion seems to chance in your third, fourth, and fifth posts.

 
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Actually, the "wears the pants " comment was the fourth post you made. It was actually the fifth post that you made the percentages comment, which seems to directly contradict your first post. So please, don't blame me for taking what you said first as your actual opinion especially when your opion seems to chance in your third, fourth, and fifth posts.
I stand corrected on the 1st/2nd/5th post thing.

But one thing is for sure, whether this is my 1st, 5th, or 20th post (I'm sure you'll tell me which it is, but I really don't care), it is also going to be my last. There have already been far too many and we're just arguing in circles and we're going to have to agree to disagree.

I spoke my opinion and I stand by my statement estimating a 67%-33% chance he stays versus goes. I stand by everything I have said in this thread - except the one where I didn't realize so many people would take a tongue-in-cheek comment as the gospel truth. Of course, you're also taking what I did say and respond "oh you don't mean that! you don't mean that!" which is the sign of your lame logic.

Now since you obviously can't go to sleep without getting the last word, have at it!
 
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I stand corrected on the 1st/2nd/5th post thing.

But one thing is for sure, whether this is my 1st, 5th, or 20th post (I'm sure you'll tell me which it is, but I really don't care), it is also going to be my last. There have already been far too many and we're just arguing in circles and we're going to have to agree to disagree.

I spoke my opinion and I stand by my statement estimating a 67%-33% chance he stays versus goes. I stand by everything I have said in this thread - except the one where I didn't realize so many people would take a tongue-in-cheek comment as the gospel truth. Of course, you're also taking what I did say and respond "oh you don't mean that! you don't mean that!" which is the sign of your lame logic.

Now since you obviously can't go to sleep without getting the last word, have at it!

Last word!! Yes! :rocker:
 
So what you're saying is Gisele gave $1.5 million to Haiti, therefore Tom will remain a Patriot. Yeah that makes sense.

And nothing says "I'm a Bostonian" like building a $20 million mansion in Brentwood, California! The Green Line goes out that far, right?

What I'm saying is $20M for a mansion in Brentwood is even less significant for the Brady's than someone who makes $100K a year deciding to buy a $20K time share in Florida or JETS PSL's... And the Green Line runs close by the $10M mansion in Brookline, not that either Tom or Gisele has any need to ride on it. It's an investment in a vacation home. They own one in Costa Rica too and it doesn't mean a damn thing...other than they like to spend vacation time in warm climates. And get away from overwrought fans and mediots in Boston to maintain their sanity.
 
Wolfpack, let me ask you a question - respectfully because I think if you really delve into your thought you might start to think differently.

I posted this earlier in this thread, but let me ask you this:

Belichick and Brady each have 5-6 years left (I'm just throwing this out there because of their ages - it's not set in stone, each could go longer but we'll just play by averages for the QB position, and that BB will eventually call it a career ). That means they'd likely leave this team around the same time.

So what team in California (as you stated, there's more than one) would give Brady the best chance to win during that span? As I mentioned, only San Diego in my mind (defensively and offensively) would even have the potential talent-wise to give him that - although they have a terrible coach. Otherwise I don't see any of the other teams in that state giving him that chance, which would make me question a potential decision on Brady's part to make such a move unless the Patriots give him an absolutely insulting deal.

Your thoughts?
 
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Wolfpack, let me ask you a question - respectfully because I think if you really delve into your thought you might start to think differently.

I posted this earlier in this thread, but let me ask you this:

Belichick and Brady each have 5-6 years left (I'm just throwing this out there because of their ages - it's not set in stone, each could go longer but we'll just play by averages for the QB position, and that BB will eventually call it a career ). That means they'd likely leave this team around the same time.

So what team in California (as you stated, there's more than one) would give Brady the best chance to win during that span? As I mentioned, only San Diego in my mind (defensively and offensively) would even have the potential talent-wise to give him that - although they have a terrible coach. Otherwise I don't see any of the other teams in that state giving him that chance, which would make me question a potential decision on Brady's part to make such a move unless the Patriots give him an absolutely insulting deal.

Your thoughts?

Careful Ian, you're making too much sense here.
 
Wolfpack, let me ask you a question - respectfully because I think if you really delve into your thought you might start to think differently.

I posted this earlier in this thread, but let me ask you this:

Belichick and Brady each have 5-6 years left (I'm just throwing this out there because of their ages - it's not set in stone, each could go longer but we'll just play by averages for the QB position, and that BB will eventually call it a career ). That means they'd likely leave this team around the same time.

So what team in California (as you stated, there's more than one) would give Brady the best chance to win during that span? As I mentioned, only San Diego in my mind (defensively and offensively) would even have the potential talent-wise to give him that - although they have a terrible coach. Otherwise I don't see any of the other teams in that state giving him that chance, which would make me question a potential decision on Brady's part to make such a move unless the Patriots give him an absolutely insulting deal.

Your thoughts?

Ian,

Some thoughts:

- How do you know BB and Brady don't leave and go to the same team together?

- Do you think SF or a future LA team wouldn't let Brady write his own ticket if that's what it took to get him there? I mean Brady can chose the coach and GM, with a contract that has stipulations that ensure the owner can't pull a Jerry Jones and meddle in football matters.

- You're assuming that playing on a team that has the best chance of winning is foremost on Brady's mind. In the old days that was his goal but as he said himself 'life changes'. Maybe these days he'd rather be able to spend time with his family, including his older son Jack, than to win another SB. Just because some players like Troy Brown managed a family in SC and played in NE doesn't mean that's what Brady wants for his life.
 
Ian,

Some thoughts:

- How do you know BB and Brady don't leave and go to the same team together?

I don't know, based on a 5-6 year timeline (as I mentioned in my other post) that would mean BB and Brady leave after this season or next since that's the premise of this argument, and I just don't see that happening.

- Do you think SF or a future LA team wouldn't let Brady write his own ticket if that's what it took to get him there? I mean Brady can chose the coach and GM, with a contract that has stipulations that ensure the owner can't pull a Jerry Jones and meddle in football matters.

An expansion team would be believed to be at least several years away, and I don't think Brady puts himself behind a new offensive line at the age he'd be at that point - it would be a bad move career-wise and physically for that matter.

- You're assuming that playing on a team that has the best chance of winning is foremost on Brady's mind. In the old days that was his goal but as he said himself 'life changes'. Maybe these days he'd rather be able to spend time with his family, including his older son Jack, than to win another SB. Just because some players like Troy Brown managed a family in SC and played in NE doesn't mean that's what Brady wants for his life.

As I said in another post - Brady is one of those guys like a Jordan, a Bird, etc. that NEEDS to win. Let's face it, he doesn't know any other environment and I doubt at this stage of his career he'd like to experience it.

Don't get me wrong, I understand he has a family now - believe me I get that since my priorities now are different than they were back then. But let's talk about it in normal terms:

You don't change jobs unless you really don't like where you are. If the owner loves you, your boss loves you and thinks you're the best employee he's ever had, and they pay you what you're worth - you don't just up and move on. So again, unless the contract they end up giving him is absolutely terrible, I just can't see him moving on.

My goal was to counter the "West Coast" theory and make it seem like it's more of a reach than some believe. But I do feel overall that they truly value him far too much to let him leave, and they'll do what they need to in order to reach a deal eventually.
 
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Wolfpack, let me ask you a question - respectfully because I think if you really delve into your thought you might start to think differently.

I posted this earlier in this thread, but let me ask you this:

Belichick and Brady each have 5-6 years left (I'm just throwing this out there because of their ages - it's not set in stone, each could go longer but we'll just play by averages for the QB position, and that BB will eventually call it a career ). That means they'd likely leave this team around the same time.

So what team in California (as you stated, there's more than one) would give Brady the best chance to win during that span? As I mentioned, only San Diego in my mind (defensively and offensively) would even have the potential talent-wise to give him that - although they have a terrible coach. Otherwise I don't see any of the other teams in that state giving him that chance, which would make me question a potential decision on Brady's part to make such a move unless the Patriots give him an absolutely insulting deal.

Your thoughts?
Well I promised I wouldn't post to this thread anymore, but when the grand poobah of the entire website asks me a question, I feel compelled to answer.

Before I answer, I want to point out the landscape of any NFL team can completely change overnight so it is tough to predict what might be a good fit for Brady a year from now. I mean, who knows where San Francisco will be in 2011? Singletary may end up being the real deal who is currently hampered by poor personnel. Or maybe they'll fire him and offer Tom any coach he wants.

Anyway, there are 2 scenarios I consider plausible. (Note to the haters: "Plausible" means possible - it does not mean "likely" or "probable" or "I think this is definitely going to happen").

The 1st scenario is a team, likely the Vikes or the Jags, moves to L.A. I think Brady would be a pretty decent fit on either of those teams. Well, he'd be a good fit on any team, but I mean these would actually make sense. Yes I know the Vikes' lease doesn't expire until after 2011, but it would be a very small penalty for them to skip out a year early.

The 2nd scenario is a team already in place. Ya know where I think Brady would be a good fit? It is the NFL city which is geographically the 2nd closest to LA (behind San Diego), but it ain't in California. This franchise has a darn decent coach and a darn decent team, and I think if you put Tom Brady on the Arizona Cardinals then he gets them that one extra step that they came oh-so-close to getting 2 seasons ago.

I know my statement will get me another round of hateful responses, and I stand by my 67% chance he stays here, but these are what I consider plausible scenarios.
 
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My $.02 on Ian's question:

Brady + SF = Division champs and Super Bowl contenders.
 
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So what team in California (as you stated, there's more than one) would give Brady the best chance to win during that span?
This is easy as I already mentioned it earlier, It's the 49ers. In fact, it's starting to make too much sense there. They are an up and coming team that wants to adopt a smash mouth scheme, has really good young receivers, could potentially have a stud O-line and pretty good defense. Tom Brady in the NFC = instant super bowl.

If the Pats let him go to FA and the 9ers still need a QB, I wouldn't be shocked if he bolted to the team that he has always wanted to play for while staying really close to his family.
 
@ Wolfpack

Gisele and Benjamin lives during the season in Boston with Tom and they move to every city with him. Only in the offseson they are in L.A.

She said she lives since 2007 in Boston
 
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