The way I hear it!

[PatsandTrojans55]

For what it's worth, I made my annual predraft phone call into the center point between Boston, Worcester, and Providence...and the only tidbit I could extract this year is that the Pats feel Hobbs would be a better DB in a 4-3 system. For the life of me, I couldn't begin to understand the difference in roles of a 3-4 or a 4-3 DB....but I do recognize that the 2007 Defense had problems on third down and redzone situations. A speed rusher from the D Line may be just what the doctor ordered.

My OPINION here,

But, think in terms of Zone Coverage versus Man to Man Coverage with respect to scheme and responsibilities. Some Corners are better in Man to Man and some Zone. How does that translate to the Patriots? It could mean Hobbs is a better zone coverage CB and with a LB in the flat more often he may be better covering a half and read and reacting by coming up the field as oppose to a more chase technique like (Man to Man). Also the safeties play a role as well.

Hope that helps a glimpse.
PT55

 

[PatsandTrojans55]

DITTO !!!! Keep firing

PT55, inside info has it that the Pats have DRC rated higher than McKelvin, and would take Ro-Cro over McKelvin as fast as the card could be rushed up to Goodell, can you confirm or deny this?

Source:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-803/Instant-Hash-Mock-feedback.html[/QUOTE

Thanks B2M;

One of these guys is off the board and neither is the highest rated corner on their Board. All I will say is they currently like their depth at corner and won't take a corner at #7. I sense he used a rumor and added his opinion based on needs. Don't believe it.
PT55

 

[mike100915]

If I had to guess, I would say their highest rated CB is Antoine Cason.

Also, in the end I think we draft Sedrick Ellis at #7. Makes alot of sense. Also, they won't go OL in round 1.

 

[BradyToMoss]

DITTO !!!! Keep firing

PT55, inside info has it that the Pats have DRC rated higher than McKelvin, and would take Ro-Cro over McKelvin as fast as the card could be rushed up to Goodell, can you confirm or deny this?

Source:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-803/Instant-Hash-Mock-feedback.html[/QUOTE

Thanks B2M;

One of these guys is off the board and neither is the highest rated corner on their Board. All I will say is they currently like their depth at corner and won't take a corner at #7. I sense he used a rumor and added his opinion based on needs. Don't believe it.
PT55

WHOA !!!!!!!!! Please tell me you're kidding.

 

[scout]

Thanks PT55 for your insights. There is not a single mock, media outlet, Internet source, which is going to give a fan the answer to the moves his/her team is going to make. Having said that, reading your posts gave me more to digest then nearly any other source, and it has a little zing to it as its more convincing then say..........Mel's. Most fans on this site, and many that just lurk, are appreciative of your post.
In trying to read between the lines, I come up with that the Pats really like two of their acquisitions, Bryant and Hobson, and have a line on a decent player (Sheppard pops up in my mind). Any thoughts?

I too am a Petty fan: Damn the Torpedoes.

 

[sebman2112]

My OPINION here,

But, think in terms of Zone Coverage versus Man to Man Coverage with respect to scheme and responsibilities. Some Corners are better in Man to Man and some Zone. How does that translate to the Patriots? It could mean Hobbs is a better zone coverage CB and with a LB in the flat more often he may be better covering a half and read and reacting by coming up the field as oppose to a more chase technique like (Man to Man). Also the safeties play a role as well.

Hope that helps a glimpse.
PT55

Hobbs is a better Man cover CB, with some ability to get physical at the LOS. Samuel was the better soft zone CB, who had help over the top, so he could take chances coming forward. He also wasn't physical at the LOS, and wasn't great at rerouting. That's why I thought Samuel was a bad signing for the Eagles, but that's getting a little off topic.

 

[patchick]

Personally, I love this thread. However much truth there is to the assertions, I love hearing a perspective that gets me out of my rut and makes me look at draft options in new ways. Keep it coming, PT55!

 

[sebman2112]

Sebs, Mike and Others.

I can respect your skepticism, heck I would to. However, a couple of things.

1. If I were here as an impostor so to speak, What's in it for me? Obviously, I know I will be greeted with some doubters right? So if I want to be glorified then I would post like I did this time all the time and just drop name after name. So it would be easier to rub it in people's face. I DON'T

2. I'm not forcing NO ONE to believe me and I'm not trying to sway my opinion on anybody as to influence your opinions. This again doesn't add up to self gratification.

3. I started posting on Dryheat and other people's draft board talks and as far as those ARGUMENTS with DaBruinz, well my younger brother who champions himself a master debater and since been bannished from posting under my name will have to own up to that. He likes to get under DaBruinz skin and that goes back to the ESPN Boards he says. Also, he LOVES Groves and won't be told anything else. In fact, he's not even a Patriots fan so I apologize for any mis-understandings and he has since been disowned for his allegiance to Buffalo.

4. You want to check my background out and I encourage it
Go through my posts with Dryheat and others and just simply do this. Get the names on my posts and the dates I presented at the time and look at when the information was reported on. You will find that I have consistently been a week ahead of the curve. My information has been collaborated in Reiss's mailbag and his mocks and other reports.

I will give a couple of examples:
Dry heat mentioned Mike Jenkins: (BB personal visit)
I've mentioned :Cason, Thomas, Talib, Wheatley, and many others.

I talked about a WR that can return in DeSean Jackson and referenced Hester with him. Well scout.com did an article on those two yesterday and compared them. The Patriots are looking at a similar player in Dexter Jackson.

I've talked about Ellis very early (over a month ago) on when people doubted his ability to play in a 3-4 and told Heatster to NOT discount him nor Trevor Laws.

I also, talked about Takeo Spikes and said look for a young LB signing before the draft and (althought many fans believed Hobson to be a natural fit) how many fans gave up on him? I told Heatster not to be surprised if they pull the trigger on a LB before the draft because a high target would either jump up (like he has) or a better option should arise and they want to keep flexibility
open.

Personally, I would love to say "Man, I'm good, I hit on virtually every target" However, You can't be as dead-on as I have without some better knowledge other than your own. I'm not that stupid nor arrogant as to take ANY credit here on a message board for self gratification. But, it's not about me it's about the Patriots and what's best for this team.

I will post again soon and I'm looking forward to talking to you all on the offical draft day thread for any last second dealings.

Again, enjoy this time to be a Patriots fan and watch how they work this draft.

By the way if I wanted to shut up any doubters, I would just post what seems(Key word here is seems because they trust their scouting department and BB/Pioli are finalizing the offical List as we speak) to be they're TOP-15 on the Draft Board and just sit back and wait to claim myself supreme but I would NEVER break the agreement to prove people wrong on a message board.

Editorial note:* If I say statements like on line 6. (of the op) I know I'm talking to a savvy intelligent fanbase so I will give you the hint and know you will figure it out. *Some of my information will seem broad but If you pay attention to the hints and/or buzzwords they will be on point.* I have many names I could pass out but WONT (As you understand) However, I will give you enough buzzwords and/or hints to narrow it down so an intelligent fanbase can get it.

Enjoy Gentlemen and Ladies, Thanks for your time.
PT55

Cason has been one of the top CB's targeted by many of the fans on this board, and I know a few of us had him as the best fit for NE, before you ever mentioned him. Talib seemed like one of Dryheat's favorites for a little while, and you agreed with everything he said about him, back then. I'm sure you knew about Talib's drug problems and off the field issues in advance though, right? It would seem your inside sources would have clued you in...

Scout.com has been hinting to the Patriots potential interest in Desean Jackson for a good amount of time, and they're recent talk of Dexter Jackson wasn't the first time they've mentioned the Patriots interest. Also, Briz and myself have been talking about Dexter as an option for NE for months.

Every Patriot fan should have thought the team was going to look at bringing in another LB prior to the draft. That's just how they operate. Also, Victor Hobson was among the main targets at LB for many of us Patriots fans, and more specifically ILB for some of us. I've got a post talking about what I would like to see happen this offseason, and Hobson was my favorite at ILB on that list.

Considering what you've said to date, I'm pretty sure you would post more info, if you truly had it.

Also, using hints in that fashion is a good way to avoid future criticism. For instance, you said a small school CB if off their draft board. Some of us might think that you're talking about DRC, but if the Patriots magically selected him, you could say it was actually Jenkins, Molden, or someone else you were talking about. What you said about a CB who's a talent, but they question his dedication, could be Talib, or some other CB's, as well.

I could go a little further into this, but I've already spent to much time on the subject. I will say that some of what you specifically mentioned in this post, and your prior posting habits, give me reason to believe you also post under another SN.

 

[PatsandTrojans55]

Thanks PT55 for your insights. There is not a single mock, media outlet, Internet source, which is going to give a fan the answer to the moves his/her team is going to make. Having said that, reading your posts gave me more to digest then nearly any other source, and it has a little zing to it as its more convincing then say..........Mel's. Most fans on this site, and many that just lurk, are appreciative of your post.
In trying to read between the lines, I come up with that the Pats really like two of their acquisitions, Bryant and Hobson, and have a line on a decent player (Sheppard pops up in my mind). Any thoughts?

I too am a Petty fan: Damn the Torpedoes.

Thanks very much Scout,

The Patriots do like both acquisitions and the term "flexability" is thrown around alot.
With respect to Lito Sheppard and the corners:
It really is pretty simple (In a sense). The 2nd round pick is not a concern but the question is "Signability".

They are weighing this:
A) With a deep corner draft do we take a young man in the 2nd or even 3rd and let a healthy competition begin or;
B) Do they give a 2nd for a very good young corner (Lito) and reach an accord on an extention or;
C) Do they bring back an "Old Face" for a season or 2 and still draft a young predecessor.
D) Do they trade back and take their "Favorite" corner in the mid (16+) to late first.

I suspect, The EARLIEST this will be answered is in the 2nd round on Saturday, April 26th, 2008.
I will let yourself and everyone else speculate on what option or options they will inevitably decide.

PT55

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I want to see that Top 15 list, baby

 

[PonyExpress]

Cason has been one of the top CB's targeted by many of the fans on this board, and I know a few of us had him as the best fit for NE, before you ever mentioned him. Talib seemed like one of Dryheat's favorites for a little while, and you agreed with everything he said about him, back then. I'm sure you knew about Talib's drug problems and off the field issues in advance though, right? It would seem your inside sources would have clued you in...

Scout.com has been hinting to the Patriots potential interest in Desean Jackson for a good amount of time, and they're recent talk of Dexter Jackson wasn't the first time they've mentioned the Patriots interest. Also, Briz and myself have been talking about Dexter as an option for NE for months.

Every Patriot fan should have thought the team was going to look at bringing in another LB prior to the draft. That's just how they operate. Also, Victor Hobson was among the main targets at LB for many of us Patriots fans, and more specifically ILB for some of us. I've got a post talking about what I would like to see happen this offseason, and Hobson was my favorite at ILB on that list.

Considering what you've said to date, I'm pretty sure you would post more info, if you truly had it.

Also, using hints in that fashion is a good way to avoid future criticism. For instance, you said a small school CB if off their draft board. Some of us might think that you're talking about DRC, but if the Patriots magically selected him, you could say it was actually Jenkins, Molden, or someone else you were talking about. What you said about a CB who's a talent, but they question his dedication, could be Talib, or some other CB's, as well.

I could go a little further into this, but I've already spent to much time on the subject. I will say that some of what you specifically mentioned in this post, and your prior posting habits, give me reason to believe you also post under another SN.

I think Talib has great talent and is among the top 5 dbs in the class. When I heard about the pattern of drug abuse, I took him off my personal "board" (which really doesn't exist). But just after all that news broke to the public, the Pats brought Talib in for a visit. There are also people saying that that Talib's trouble was 2 years ago, and behind him. He's still off my board, because I don't like drug risks with top picks, but the Pats may still like him for all we know.

 

[BradyToMoss]

I think Talib has great talent and is among the top 5 dbs in the class. When I heard about the pattern of drug abuse, I took him off my personal "board" (which really doesn't exist). But just after all that news broke to the public, the Pats brought Talib in for a visit. There are also people saying that that Talib's trouble was 2 years ago, and behind him. He's still off my board, because I don't like drug risks with top picks, but the Pats may still like him for all we know.

With PT55's latest CB revelation, the Pats top-rated corner would have to be 1 of 3 guys (Talib/Jenkins/Cason). I can only assume if they're down on the small school stud corners, it would have to be Talib topping their corner chart.

 

[PatsandTrojans55]

Cason has been one of the top CB's targeted by many of the fans on this board, and I know a few of us had him as the best fit for NE, before you ever mentioned him. Talib seemed like one of Dryheat's favorites for a little while, and you agreed with everything he said about him, back then. I'm sure you knew about Talib's drug problems and off the field issues in advance though, right? It would seem your inside sources would have clued you in...

Sebman,
The BIG difference with Cason is this: Fans like yourself who love this team can make a personal opinion on who your favorites are for any position on the field and make what you believe is an intelligent decision for this team and be sincere. I get that. However, I mentioned him in ways an ordinary fan couldn't know on their own. Also, I mentioned him a week before he started getting alot of press on how much the Patriots really LOVE him. Not a coincidence.

Scout.com has been hinting to the Patriots potential interest in Desean Jackson for a good amount of time, and they're recent talk of Dexter Jackson wasn't the first time they've mentioned the Patriots interest. Also, Briz and myself have been talking about Dexter as an option for NE for months.

I could tell you about where Scout.com and who they talk to for their sources. But that doesn't matter and plus, they don't know what I know (With respect to the Patriots). Trust me on that. Dexter is not their favorite for the position but he is a valued option that DeSean won't be later in the draft.

Every Patriot fan should have thought the team was going to look at bringing in another LB prior to the draft. That's just how they operate. Also, Victor Hobson was among the main targets at LB for many of us Patriots fans, and more specifically ILB for some of us. I've got a post talking about what I would like to see happen this offseason, and Hobson was my favorite at ILB on that list.

That's why I mentioned that fans said he was a logical choice including yourself. However, Most fans if not all had given up on him and started talking about Spikes. Again, look at when I talked about a young LBer and whyI said it. Again, there's a difference between a logical guess and when I mentioned it and why. Then it happens shortly thereafter.

Considering what you've said to date, I'm pretty sure you would post more info, if you truly had it.

Only if I wanted Self-gratification.

Also, using hints in that fashion is a good way to avoid future criticism. For instance, you said a small school CB if off their draft board. Some of us might think that you're talking about DRC, but if the Patriots magically selected him, you could say it was actually Jenkins, Molden, or someone else you were talking about. What you said about a CB who's a talent, but they question his dedication, could be Talib, or some other CB's, as well.

Your criticizing me now so I'm not avoiding it. I will be honest about what was right and what was wrong when the time comes. Not a problem. Plus, if you read my previous post it pretty clear what I mean be small college and South Florida (Jenkins) is a "Big" school in a power conference (ACC).

I could go a little further into this, but I've already spent to much time on the subject. I will say that some of what you specifically mentioned in this post, and your prior posting habits, give me reason to believe you also post under another SN.

Give me the other name please. No disrespect Sebs but think about this. Fans posting for the most part say terms like "I" and "we" when posting what they feel about what the team should do and therefore naturally take credit when they are right. (Like your doing here) However, when you read my post I don't try to form anybodies opinion nor do I say "we should do...." So if you think about it, Say everything I say will happen, happens, what kind of fool would I be to claim it was me when I'm not claiming that right now. I don't care about self-gratification on a message board, period. So you don't have to believe me at all and I still will respect your decision. What you believe doesn't change who I am or what I know, With all due respect.
PT55

 

[BradyToMoss]

This is now getting better than the draft itself.............I'm picturing Dryheat chuckling somewhere taking down some lunch right now.

 

[PatsandTrojans55]

With PT55's latest CB revelation, the Pats top-rated corner would have to be 1 of 3 guys (Talib/Jenkins/Cason). I can only assume if they're down on the small school stud corners, it would have to be Talib topping their corner chart.

Or he could be the talented corner who they feel isn't dedicated to the game of football to fit their satifaction and therefore. Off the draft board.
PT55

 

[mike100915]

PT55, is Antoine Cason the Patriots top corner?

 

[ALP]

PT55, is Antoine Cason the Patriots top corner?

if he really knows the answer to that....(which i believe he may) dang it i want to know

 

[ALP]

OK, so DRC is off the list...

BUT, the major question now is, is McKelvin the cb they believe is not dedicated to the game, or is Talib the one they believe is not dedicated?

if McKelvin is the one that the pats believe is not dedicated, it doesnt tell us much

if however Talib is the one that they took off b/c of dedication, then that means that either jenkins and cason are the top 2 cb's, in no specific order

 

[mike100915]

Good questions ALP.

I want to know, will they take Ellis at #7. Also, will they take Chris Long is he falls to #7, which I think they will.

 

[PatsandTrojans55]

PT55, is Antoine Cason the Patriots top corner?

Yes, has been for sometime now, BUT, that doesn't mean he's the best value for them. Meaning they wont pick him at #7. It will take a trade down to the 20's for his value to start getting in the ballpark.
PT55

*They like their depth at corner and he may be their favorite corner but their 9th favorite player overall (for instance). See what I'm saying?
PT55