The Official Vrabel vs Ben Johnson Discussion Thread

[State]

Because the Saints are waiting for the Patriots sloppy seconds as their HC.

 

[Grogan14]

“Interviewed well” does not sound like Pats were “blown away”
Vrabel almost certainly next head coach

I do think other candidates should have been brought in

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I don't think it's only that, though it's part of it.

I actually believe the Patriots blew that. They could have easily invited a couple active coaches to tick off those boxes even if they never intended to hire them. The screwed that part up.

But, they are being blasted for not getting "new ideas." This is the same crew of people who praised them in the recent past for a friendlier culture. I think Breer in particular is out to lunch. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about without realizing that the process of hiring a new coach for the Patriots entails exactly the kind of organizational changes they are recommending.

I know. He is saying the whole thing is a sham and they need a long exhausted search because they never did one
In the meantime while they do their long search they lose out on the top coaches because Vrabel grabs a job waiting and Johnson decides to stay another year in Detroit because they did not win it all

 

[Fubby]

Even if you got a top guy you want, why wouldn’t you interview at least 10 people for the job. Costs you nothing but some of your time and you gain some valuable insight into new ideas and what other teams are doing.

The incompetence continues

 

[Love The Drake]

We don’t know til we know.

However the Patriots could be interviewing with Ben and think we get the same thing with McDaniels and we get the experience the respect and the personality Vrabel brings.
It’s hard to say, what they have going on.

 

[Love The Drake]

Even if you got a top guy you want, why wouldn’t you interview at least 10 people for the job. Costs you nothing but some of your time and you gain some valuable insight into new ideas and what other teams are doing.

The incompetence continues

Even if you got a top guy you want, why wouldn’t you interview at least 10 people for the job. Costs you nothing but some of your time and you gain some valuable insight into new ideas and what other teams are doing.

The incompetence continues

I wanted at least 5 other interviews, Moore, Brady, Kingsbury, Lafluer, Cohen.

 

[Grogan1980]

Even if you got a top guy you want, why wouldn’t you interview at least 10 people for the job. Costs you nothing but some of your time and you gain some valuable insight into new ideas and what other teams are doing.

The incompetence continues

If so, they needed to line them up (ahead of time) & get it done ... Unfortunately, time will probably be of the essence if they want Vrabel. Of course the rules about existing coaches (especially in person) muddies the waters.

 

[Sect140]

I don't think it's only that, though it's part of it.

I actually believe the Patriots blew that. They could have easily invited a couple active coaches to tick off those boxes even if they never intended to hire them. The screwed that part up.

But, they are being blasted for not getting "new ideas." This is the same crew of people who praised them in the recent past for a friendlier culture. I think Breer in particular is out to lunch. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about without realizing that the process of hiring a new coach for the Patriots entails exactly the kind of organizational changes they are recommending.

If they were interviewing 14 head coach candidates they would be *****ing about how the Krafts have no clue what they want in a coach.

 

[KCSVEN]

I actually believe the Patriots blew that. They could have easily invited a couple active coaches to tick off those boxes even if they never intended to hire them. The screwed that part up.


I think what they did is better than the Jets and Bears who are getting no criticism. Patriots interviewed 2 guys that want back in the NFL and want their names out there. Jets and Bears Rooney rule guys had no benefit from the interviews, they were solely so those teams could check the box.

Active coaches must be from non-playoff teams to interview in person and if you want to move fast most coaches that are legitimate candidates are in the playoffs so not so easy to just interview assistants from other teams. Is a random OC from a non-playoff team going to put himself out there for an interview that has to be in person so requires travel for a position he's not getting? Not sure the benefit for a guy that is 100% staying where he is at.

There is a reason the Bears chose the interim coach and the Jets a college coach from Maryland that can easily drive to the interview.
The Patriots didn't bury the Rooney rule interviews like other teams that did the same type of interviews, but for less benefit to the interviewee. Add that to the fact people think Aaron Glenn counts toward a Rooney rule when he doesn't unless he interviews in person.
This had led the uneducated to criticize the Pats for how they handled it when they actually have interviewed guys that are more in spirit with the rules than other teams. Pats interviewed guys that want their name out there to get back int he NFL, and the Past have helped them further their chances of landing a job.

 

[Real fan 02]

We shall see but it feels like a rush to Vrabel. Neither has won a playoff game and Johnson offers better potential for Maye’s development. I’d like to see them meet with him in person.

I see your point as I've put thought into things as well. What the Patriots need is a culture building HC. Someone that's been there and done it on a high level. Someone who's been at other stops college, NFL ect. What Ben Johnson has as an offensive mind for the wealth of weapons in Detroit he won't have here in NE. Detroit is stacked at RB, WR and TE.. with Vrabel you bring in Josh McDaniels who's a great offensive coach in his own right. Ben Johnson in my opinion is going to go to a place where he's familiar, and that already has a roster that can compete now. That's his own division the Bears all they lack is a good coach.

 

[lancerman]

Even if you got a top guy you want, why wouldn’t you interview at least 10 people for the job. Costs you nothing but some of your time and you gain some valuable insight into new ideas and what other teams are doing.

The incompetence continues

Because we have a franchise that is known to be archaic league round since we were able to get by doing things one way for a quarter century. Now that the guys who facilitated that are gone, Kraft has no clue how a modern NFL org should be run. He's not the same guy that he was in the 90's studying teams like the 49'ers and Cowboys for how they set up dynasties.

 

[lancerman]

I see your point as I've put thought into things as well. What the Patriots need is a culture building HC. Someone that's been there and done it on a high level. Someone who's been at other stops college, NFL ect. What Ben Johnson has as an offensive mind for the wealth of weapons in Detroit he won't have here in NE. Detroit is stacked at RB, WR and TE.. with Vrabel you bring in Josh McDaniels who's a great offensive coach in his own right. Ben Johnson in my opinion is going to go to a place where he's familiar, and that already has a roster that can compete now. That's his own division the Bears all they lack is a good coach.

Winning builds culture regardless. The Chiefs are the top team in the NFL, never finish below overtime in the AFCCG and they have a coach who frankly doesn't care about personalities and the team is filled with headcases. But they win so that's the one thing they are all on board with.

 

[Real fan 02]

Winning builds culture regardless. The Chiefs are the top team in the NFL, never finish below overtime in the AFCCG and they have a coach who frankly doesn't care about personalities and the team is filled with headcases. But they win so that's the one thing they are all on board with.

Absolutely agree. This season made me sorely muss This. What we had in place for a culture for so long.

 

[PatsFan2]

So happy we got in on this interview process and Not let it pass us by. I know the Patriots gut tell em Ben Johnson but their heart says Mike Vrabel. I'm cool with either but leaning towards Mike Vrabel.

 

[Real fan 02]

So happy we got in on this interview process and and let it pass us by. I know the Patriots gut tell em Ben Johnson but their heart says Mike Vrabel. I cool with either but leaning towards Mike Vrabel.

Me too PF2.. I was watching Mike florio on YouTube he seems to believe Ben Johnson preferences are the Bears. We need a HC to reset the Patriots culture. That will then breed to winning again. I want Vrabel in place for the FA period also. We need some studs on defense to help all pro gonzo.

 

[Love The Drake]

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   So happy we got in on this interview process and Not let it pass us by. I know the Patriots gut tell em Ben Johnson but their heart says Mike Vrabel. I'm cool with either but leaning towards Mike Vrabel.

   
   I want whoever helps us competes for super bowls.

 

[PatsFan2]

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   I want whoever helps us competes for super bowls.

I would settle for us looking competent one step at a time.

 

[KCSVEN]

Even if you got a top guy you want, why wouldn’t you interview at least 10 people for the job. Costs you nothing but some of your time and you gain some valuable insight into new ideas and what other teams are doing.

The incompetence continues

I haven't heard a single thing other teams have learned from the other interviews that had anything to do with future success. Do you have a list? Not just a team's saying we learned a lot but what teams actually learned from guys they did not hire in the interview process that actually led to results on the field?

I interviewed a ton of people over my career and at the beginning I interviewed everyone that applied, by the end I'd narrow 100 resumes down to 3 or 4 no problem and never felt like I missed anything doing it that way.

So overblown the interview a lot of people angle, has no real benefit if you have top candidates willing to come.
You have to be a pretty incompetent organization to need to interview 10 guys, what kind of screening process are you failing at?

 

[Zuma]

There is zero chance anyone involved in the Johnson or any other interview is going to say “It went terribly” right after the interview. That would be a reflection on the team interviewing and Johnson. How many valid candidates would agree to interviews if the Patriots are going to say it sucked? If it was a bad interview, we would not know the same day. It would be months or years we would know the truth.

 

[PatsFan2]

“Interviewed well” does not sound like Pats were “blown away”
Vrabel almost certainly next head coach

I do think other candidates should have been brought in

Not when you'll have your preference Sam.