The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[Deus Irae]

Well, Brady would have to pass a physical. But if can't do that, there is little point in not keeping Cassel now is there?

Any trade decision will need to be made well before the time that Brady will be healthy enough to pass that physical. To wait will only serve to eliminate suitors.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Brady's trade value hasn't been lower than it is now since, probably, 2002. Cassel's value has never been higher. The overwhelming likelihood is that trading Brady would not bring in enough "more" in return than trading Cassel would to justify moving the G.O.A.T..

While is true. Brady's trade value is lower now than when he was playing. And Matt Cassel's is higher than when he warmed a bench. That doesn't mean Cassel's won't rise nor Brady's won't continue to decline.

It is also true that we are in the perfect situation to replace Brady.

*Cassel is younger and healthier.

*Cassel has a proven track record of winning in the Patriots system.

Do you think that second part is just going to magically appear if Brady chooses to go FA in two years, decides to retire or is too injured to continue?

Trading Brady might not put the Patriots in the absolute best position for 2009, but very well could put the Pats in the best position long term.

 

[Deus Irae]

While is true. Brady's trade value is lower now than when he was playing. And Matt Cassel's is higher than when he warmed a bench. That doesn't mean Cassel's won't rise nor Brady's won't continue to decline.

It is also true that we are in the perfect situation to replace Brady.

*Cassel is younger and healthier.

*Cassel has a proven track record of winning in the Patriots system.

Do you think that second part is just going to magically appear if Brady chooses to go FA in two years, decides to retire or is too injured to continue?

Trading Brady might not put the Patriots in the absolute best position for 2009, but very well could put the Pats in the best position long term.

Brady has a track record of winning. Cassel has a 1 season streak which isn't even a full season. Do I really need to start pointing out the Derek Andersons of the world?

 

[PatriotsInGA]

if we trade brady we could improve our defence more importanly our secondary. then look at 2009 matt cassel as QB and a better secondary. sounds like 2004 all over again

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Brady has a track record of winning. Cassel has a 1 season streak which isn't even a full season. Do I really need to start pointing out the Derek Andersons of the world?

No because for everyone who had one great year and fizzled you can come up with I can come up with 2 guys who when they came back from an injury wasn't a shadow of their former selves.

Point is we will never be in as good of a situation to replace Brady as we are now.

 

[BradyFTW!]

No because for everyone who had one great year and fizzled you can come up with I can come up with 2 guys who when they came back from an injury wasn't a shadow of their former selves.

Point is we will never be in as good of a situation to replace Brady as we are now.

You're assuming that Brady needs to be replaced. As long as your argument hinges on that, it's not going to sway many people. He's possibly the best NFL player of all time, and what puts him head and shoulders above the rest is his mind. We're not talking about a running back. Even if this negatively affects his pocket presence and willingness to hang in there to some extent, he'll still be a significantly better QB than Cassel.

Cassel is a good QB. Brady is a great QB. I'm having trouble understanding how people can trivialize the difference.

 

[Deus Irae]

No because for everyone who had one great year and fizzled you can come up with I can come up with 2 guys who when they came back from an injury wasn't a shadow of their former selves.

Point is we will never be in as good of a situation to replace Brady as we are now.

Your "point" is a guess, nothing more. My response will, therefore, go along the same line of merely projecting the best I can for one side or the other. For the record, I don't agree with what I'm going to write, but it's just as valid a theory as your assertion:

Point is that Cassel is just a product of the system and the talent surrounding him, and he will be a miserable failure once Moss is gone and Welker starts fading. Now's the time to get maximum value for such an overrated player Because Brady is the vastly superior player and will be around for another 5-8 years.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Number 12 will reign for ever and ever....hallayluah, hallayluah, hallayluah!!!

Number 12 will reign for ever and ever....hallayluah, hallayluah, hallayluah!!!

Number 12 will reign for ever and ever....hallayluah, hallayluah, hallayluah!!!

Now you're starting to have a clue....FINALLY!!

 

[aluminum seats]

Now you're starting to have a clue....FINALLY!!

Yeah, all I had to do was suspend all rational thought and it was easy.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

You're assuming that Brady needs to be replaced. As long as your argument hinges on that, it's not going to sway many people. He's possibly the best NFL player of all time, and what puts him head and shoulders above the rest is his mind. We're not talking about a running back. Even if this negatively affects his pocket presence and willingness to hang in there to some extent, he'll still be a significantly better QB than Cassel.

Cassel is a good QB. Brady is a great QB. I'm having trouble understanding how people can trivialize the difference.

We may need to replace Brady. Or we may just want to.

First off, I (nor do I doubt anyone else) is saying TRADE BRADY! But myself and some others are interested in discussing the possibility.

What neither you nor I know is how long Brady plans to play.

If KOC was drafted because Brady told BB after the SB, "I am done. I will finish out my contract but after that I am retiring, that should give you enough time to find my replacement" Well, then I say pull the trigger now.

Or Brady has changed his heart and is planning on going for maximum dollars as a FA when his contract expires. Well then I say pull the trigger now.

Or if Brady is claiming he is healing better than he really is. And if BB knows he won't be 100% this year. Then I say pull the trigger now.

Or if BB sees in MC the same thing he saw in Brady. Brady's numbers weren't any better in 2001 than MC's are now. It is possible that Cassel might be the GOAT. We don't know.

I am not chanting "trade Brady." Or claiming that BB should be fired if he doesn't. Just that there is a rational case for seriously considering it. Especially if a non-division team is willing to overpay.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Yeah, all I had to do was suspend all rational thought and it was easy.

Another fantasy football guy....just what I thought!

 

[BradyFTW!]

We may need to replace Brady. Or we may just want to.

First off, I (nor do I doubt anyone else) is saying TRADE BRADY! But myself and some others are interested in discussing the possibility.

What neither you nor I know is how long Brady plans to play.

If KOC was drafted because Brady told BB after the SB, "I am done. I will finish out my contract but after that I am retiring, that should give you enough time to find my replacement" Well, then I say pull the trigger now.

Or Brady has changed his heart and is planning on going for maximum dollars as a FA when his contract expires. Well then I say pull the trigger now.

Or if Brady is claiming he is healing better than he really is. And if BB knows he won't be 100% this year. Then I say pull the trigger now.

Or if BB sees in MC the same thing he saw in Brady. Brady's numbers weren't any better in 2001 than MC's are now. It is possible that Cassel might be the GOAT. We don't know.

I am not chanting "trade Brady." Or claiming that BB should be fired if he doesn't. Just that there is a rational case for seriously considering it. Especially if a non-division team is willing to overpay.

You're delving into 100% baseless hypothetical situations here. Any player could have said that. Should we draft Mayo's replacement right now, while we're at it, since it's theoretically possible that he's decided, after one year, that he doesn't like playing pro football? Should we cut Randy Moss because there's an off chance that he's pissed off at having dropped a few passes this year and has decided that he's had enough of the NFL?

Along the same lines, you can't look at Brady's career progression and assume that KOC or Cassel is likely to follow the same progression. You're trivializing Brady's character and work ethic to a truly ridiculous degree when you suggest that we can reasonably expect *anyone* to become even 80% of the player that he is. Players like Brady come along once in a generation, if you're lucky. It's theoretically possible that Cassel may end up just as good, I guess, but the odds of that are significantly lower than the odds that Brady, given his inhuman work ethic, will come back and be as good, or nearly as good, as he was before.

Your argument is 100% based on making up hypothetical scenarios, with absolutely NO evidence to back them, and suggesting that because of these things that might possibly be true (but almost certainly aren't), we should trade Brady. You can call that argument a lot of things, but 'rational' most definitely is not one of them.

Just goes to show that there's a large number of Pats fans out there who won't appreciate how amazing a player Brady is until he's retired.

 

[Deus Irae]

If KOC was drafted because Brady told BB after the SB, "I am done. I will finish out my contract but after that I am retiring, that should give you enough time to find my replacement" Well, then I say pull the trigger now.

Or, just as likely, if God told Belichick that Brady would be able to play until he's 70, you don't make the trade.

Or Brady has changed his heart and is planning on going for maximum dollars as a FA when his contract expires. Well then I say pull the trigger now.

Or, as is far more likely since Brady's contract doesn't come up again until he's 34 and a new CBA will be in place then, if Cassel is going to look for big money, trade Cassel

Or if Brady is claiming he is healing better than he really is. And if BB knows he won't be 100% this year. Then I say pull the trigger now.

Other teams have doctors too. In this scenario, Brady would be untradeable.

Or if BB sees in MC the same thing he saw in Brady. Brady's numbers weren't any better in 2001 than MC's are now. It is possible that Cassel might be the GOAT. We don't know.

Yes, we do know. If you prefer, we can phrase this as "we can be 99+% confident that Cassel is not going to be the G.O.A.T." After all, if BB had seen in Cassel what he saw in Brady, Cassel would have been signed to a deal before the season began.

I am not chanting "trade Brady." Or claiming that BB should be fired if he doesn't. Just that there is a rational case for seriously considering it. Especially if a non-division team is willing to overpay.

There is no rational case for seriously considering it and, if this were the Colts with Cassel in for Manning, rational Colts fans would be saying the same things.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Yes, we do know. If you prefer, we can phrase this as "we can be 99+% confident that Cassel is not going to be the G.O.A.T." After all, if BB had seen in Cassel what he saw in Brady, Cassel would have been signed to a deal before the season began.

that same 99%+ chance that NEP would win SB42?

Cassel might not have been looking for a long term deal be Brady's back up preferring a shot an an open competition elsewhere. Also BB has seen a lot more of Cassel since the beginning of the season.

There is no rational case for seriously considering it and, if this were the Colts with Cassel in for Manning, rational Colts fans would be saying the same things.

Then leave the thread and quit trying to derail it and let people who want to have an intelligent conversation have it.

And Manning isn't on IR and Sorgi has not proven himself.

 

[BradyFTW!]

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Then leave the thread and quit trying to derail it and let people who want to have an intelligent conversation have it.

This is the "Trade Brady Debate" thread. There is no derailing going on here- just a couple of people who are making points for the other side of the debate, and you don't seem to have a rational argument to refute us.

 

[Deus Irae]

that same 99%+ chance that NEP would win SB42?

Great analogy. So, is Cassel going to be making catches off his helmet? Is that why he'll become the G.O.A.T.?

Cassel might not have been looking for a long term deal be Brady's back up preferring a shot an an open competition elsewhere. Also BB has seen a lot more of Cassel since the beginning of the season.

Belichick has had Cassel around for 3+ seasons. If he'd seen "it", he'd have signed him.

Then leave the thread and quit trying to derail it and let people who want to have an intelligent conversation have it.

There hasn't been any intelligent conversation on the part of the "trade Brady people". You certainly haven't brought any to the thread. You're using fantasy conversations between Brady and Belichick as a basis for your arguments, for crying out loud.

And Manning isn't on IR and Sorgi has not proven himself.

Hence the use of "if" to create a hypothetical, and the insertion of Cassel in for Sorgi.

On a serious note, is something going on with you this week? I've never seen you post the sort of silliness you've been posting lately.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This thread is taking too narrow a viewpoint. In the spirit of the speculation here we could view the trade Brady keep Cassel conundrum from the viewpoint of Giselle. WWGD?

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

I just wanted to mention that I'm the 15,000 view on this thread. That's all. I bring nothing to the table. What was the record on the Carolina Panther's Cheerleader's thread before it was toasted? Anybody? PatsNut??

 

[Deus Irae]

I just wanted to mention that I'm the 15,000 view on this thread. That's all. I bring nothing to the table. What was the record on the Carolina Panther's Cheerleader's thread before it was toasted? Anybody? PatsNut??

I don't know, but there's a better chance that the Patriots will sign him next season than there is that they will be trading Brady. If they trade Brady, I won't be looking for a star to the East or anything, but I will be on the alert for Mount St. Helens blowing its stack again.

 

[PatriotsReign]

that same 99%+ chance that NEP would win SB42?

Cassel might not have been looking for a long term deal be Brady's back up preferring a shot an an open competition elsewhere. Also BB has seen a lot more of Cassel since the beginning of the season.



Then leave the thread and quit trying to derail it and let people who want to have an intelligent conversation have it.

And Manning isn't on IR and Sorgi has not proven himself.

"itelligent conversation"??! Aren't you the one with the "JETS" logo? You're a Patriots fan with a Jets logo and you're making a poor & foolish attempt at "trying" to make an argument for trading Brady.

Once again, if this actually were a serious thought, the Boston media would be discussing it. The only thing I've heard any of them say is how stupid it is to even bring it up.

So if the majority of us on this thread want to stick around and constantly remind you of how stupid this conversation is, we'll do just that. You're talking about the best player in Patriots history here and one of the best ever to play the game.

Don't act as if this is YOUR thread.