The McDaniels Effect... Passing Numbers up across the board

[Pape]

What point do you think you are making?

The point is the difference between this year and last year due to the difference in coaching

What does that have to do with Bill and Brady?

It has nothing to do with bill and brady

and yet, here you are...

LOL - You would think this place has learned a thing about giving credit to a coach for the QB's work but I guess not.

 

[mgteich]

I don't believe Josh is intentionally spreading the ball around. Diggs and Henry are going to end up with a significant amount more targets than anyone else.

Diggs 34
Henry 28
Boutte 18
Henderson 16
Douglas 16
Stevenson 14
Hollins 9
Hooper 8

I anticipate Diggs and Henry continue receiving more targets than the other receivers

I do expect WIlliams to get many more targets in games during the last quarter of the season.

I WANT Henry and Diggs to continue to get many more targets than anyone else.


BTW, why is Douglas getting targets?

 

[FoxboroFan23]

QBs have their favorite targets, no doubt... It will never be equal all around, but the distribution bell curve should flatten out a bit the more comfortable Maye gets with his reads...

I see it differently. As Diggs gets further away from the injury and develops more of a rapport with Maye the percentage of targets going to Diggs will increase. That's my theory anyway

 

[Ring 6]

Nah - there is a reason that Brady left and we go to ****. We draft a good QB and things start to look up.

Not saying coaching and other players are not important. It is saying that none of them matter if QB is crap. There is no other position in sports that would kill an entire team just because its player is bad.

There have been a lot of teams that won with crappy QBs.
The problem is no be looks beyond the QB and recognize situations where a good line, weapons, scheme and coaching make that bad qb look pretty decent. See Mac jones in 2001 and again this year.
Most fans look at football from a fantasy football perspective these days, and equate every statistic to the QB without recognizing for example Purdy and Jones have a mismatch with a wr caliber guy at RB taking the easiest their a qb can name and turning it into 25 yards.
Some offenses create positive qb stats no matter who the qb is.
There are only a handful of QBs awhile are really elevating the other 10 guys, much more often the other 10 elevate the qb

 

[Ring 6]

I don't believe Josh is intentionally spreading the ball around. Diggs and Henry are going to end up with a significant amount more targets than anyone else.

Diggs 34
Henry 28
Boutte 18
Henderson 16
Douglas 16
Stevenson 14
Hollins 9
Hooper 8

I anticipate Diggs and Henry continue receiving more targets than the other receivers

That’s because they get open.
They are also the players who run the routes that Ruth now are the best way to attack the way we are being defended.

 

[mgteich]

I see it differently. As Diggs gets further away from the injury and develops more of a rapport with Maye the percentage of targets going to Diggs will increase. That's my theory anyway

We will have our big three WR: Diggs, Williams and Noyacs (with Hollins in the red zone and as a blocker)

 

[State]

Today in thd second half McDaniels continued his dominance over rival defensive coordinator and failed HC Jim Schwartz.

Just one suggestion: screens are an excellent way to counteract a fast,swarming defense. With the athleticism of Jared Subway Wilson and Will Campbell, it could be done effectively.

It would have been nice right out of the gate to see #75 for the Browns doing that extra running around in pursuit.

 

[Uptown]

Maye is phenomenal & McDaniels has worked wonders. Excellent tandem because Josh has seen it all & worked extensively with the greatest to ever do it. His tutelage is invaluable to Maye’s rapid development. Glad to have him.

 

[mayoclinic]

Mildly hot take. I don't think McDaniels is all that good an OC. Clearly he's decent if he managed to stay in the league for this long. But why does he get a pass and not BB on the Tom Brady effect?

Basically everywhere else he's been an OC or HC the offense has been pretty bad outside of 1 year in LVR where both DeVante Adams and Josh Jacobs absolutely went insane. Then it fell down the drain the next year when he couldn't handle the QB situation.

Look at the stuff Shanahan does with the 49ers, Reid of in KC or the way they open guys up with the Bucs. There are OCs and HCs you clearly feel put their thumb on the scale. McDaniels feels more like just another guy. He runs his system but it depends on having a talented QB. I don't see much creativity on the field to spring guys open or anything used to power the difficulty of execution while still getting solid results.

Bob, this is not to criticize you, because I have never been a McDaniels fan and was leery when he was rehired.

But ...

We were wrong.

McDaniels may not be as good at making yogurt from curds as Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay, and sometimes his play calling can be infuriating. But overall, he has done an amazing job.

Really impressive how the offense has jelled.

Outstanding.

I'd tip my cap, if I had one.

 

[Ring 6]

I do expect WIlliams to get many more targets in games during the last quarter of the season.

I WANT Henry and Diggs to continue to get many more targets than anyone else.


BTW, why is Douglas getting targets?

Douglas hasn’t been a first or second progression barely at all. When we put 3 WRs in on passing downs, he’s probably our 3rd best WR.

 

[Ring 6]

We will have our big three WR: Diggs, Williams and Noyacs (with Hollins in the red zone and as a blocker)

What is a noyacs?

 

[n1997y]

What is a noyacs?

no YACs ?

I had the same question until I figured out mgtaitched must be referring to Boutte as getting no YACs.

I guess making catches in the EZ does limit the YACs

 

[Ring 6]

no YACs ?

I had the same question until I figured out mgtaitched must be referring to Boutte as getting no YACs.

I guess making catches in the EZ does limit the YACs

Doesn’t make sense

 

[PatsFan2]

I do expect WIlliams to get many more targets in games during the last quarter of the season.

I WANT Henry and Diggs to continue to get many more targets than anyone else.


BTW, why is Douglas getting targets?

Somebody needs to get back on their Meds.

 

[PatsFan2]

Doesn’t make sense

He didn't expect K Boutte to make the Team last year.

 

[Ring 6]

He didn't expect K Boutte to make the Team last year.

What a strange dude he is.

 

[upstater1]

LOL - You would think this place has learned a thing about giving credit to a coach for the QB's work but I guess not.

There are a lot of great QBs in this league. But many of them don't win.

You very rarely see a team without a brilliant head coach win.

It's more rare than a team with a bad QB winning the SB.

That coach, who you believe shouldn't get credit, came to New England in 1996 and turned the defense around, leading to a SB berth. We all saw it with our own eyes.

Same guy turned the team around in 2001.

 

[Lavictoire]

looking at the numbers in the passing game here, comparing last year to this year through four games...

2025 11 different receivers have caught passes... they have gone 91/121 (75%), 988 yards, 10.9 ypc, 7tds through 4 games
2024 10 different receivers caught passes... they went 65/103 (63%), 558 yards, 8.6 ypc, 2 tds through 4 games...



Inside the 20 is even better...

2025 6 receivers, 11/16 (68.75%), 88 yards, 6 tds
2024 5 receivers, 7/11 (63.63%), 30 yards, 2 tds




The additions the Pats made in the off season have really paid off so far... From the front office, head coach, position coordinators/coaching... and don't forget to toss in the draft picks and free agents who have been worth every penny.... McDaniels in particular has really breathed life back into the offense... Overall the team is playing much better football than last year... demonstrably better numbers in the Passing Game through four weeks of the season... Its good to see... I know the EP gets knocked on around here, but i am not sure why... Its just as effective as the wco or mcshanny (mcvay/shannahan) ball...

we still have work to do... we can always be better... but the team is moving in the right direction after spending the last four years treading water...

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Was thrilled when they rehired McDaniels, and hired Vrabel too! This young team is going places.

 

[PatsFan2]

I do expect WIlliams to get many more targets in games during the last quarter of the season.

I WANT Henry and Diggs to continue to get many more targets than anyone else.


BTW, why is Douglas getting targets?

I'll take another stab at this... maybe because he was Open.

 

[Dec54]

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Maye is phenomenal & McDaniels has worked wonders. Excellent tandem because Josh has seen it all & worked extensively with the greatest to ever do it. His tutelage is invaluable to Maye’s rapid development. Glad to have him.

Spot on.