The lack of news is Jimmy G is deafening

[VJCPatriot]

Glennon could be Osweiler 2.0. Hell the Texans just had to PAY another team a 2nd round pick to take that bad contract off their books. This is really the first time that has happened in the NFL -- paying a draft pick comp in exchange of getting rid of a bad contract. But now that it has happened, it won't be the first.

Chicago will have egg all over their faces if that's what happens with Glennon and they could have had Jimmy G if only they had offered up a 1st round pick. There is opportunity cost in picking an inferior option to a better option. Jimmy G won't come again.

I thought so too at first, but then I looked at the QB market.

In terms of average per year, Glennon's deal would make him the 24th-highest paid QB last year, just behind Kaepernick and Dalton, just ahead of Fitzpatrick and RGIII.

He hasn't played in a while, but his upside is more than any of those 4 guys at this point so why not roll the dice? If you're a team like Chicago and you're not contending for a Super Bowl berth this year, why wouldn't you see if you can test out Glennon and see if there's anything there? It seems like a lot of the guaranteed money will be in year 1, so it's not like this will strangle the franchise long-term.

Jimmy G is obviously a more intriguing prospect, but if you're the Bears, do you trade this year's first and next year's as well for him, or do you use some of your $60M+ cap space on a decent QB with some potential upside, and draft two blue chippers, and potentially get to sign Jimmy as a free agent next year?

 

[carmelo15]

12 overall, the 2nd they got from Houston and 2018 first round pick.

Let's be realistic
At best we get 12, 52, and 2018 2nd. 2 2nds and a 1st is top notch value

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Glennon could be Osweiler 2.0. Hell the Texans just had to PAY another team a 2nd round pick to take that bad contract off their books. This is really the first time that has happened in the NFL -- paying a draft pick comp in exchange of getting rid of a bad contract. But now that it has happened, it won't be the first.

Chicago will have egg all over their faces if that's what happens with Glennon and they could have had Jimmy G if only they had offered up a 1st round pick. There is opportunity cost in picking an inferior option to a better option. Jimmy G won't come again.

Not sure what you're talking about.

First, Glennon and Osweiler have completely different deals.

Osweiler received $21M upon signing, but had a lot of guaranteed money in year 2. His first year cap hit was only $12M, but he had $16M guaranteed in year 2, plus $9M in signing bonus that needed to be accounted for eventually. The Texans only had around $20M in cap room and were trying to clear room for a run at Romo and needed to make the trade for cap space. If they cut him, they would have ate $25M in dead money. They still ate $9M in cap hit after the trade, but saved themselves $10M.

Glennon has a cap hit of $14M this year, and only $4.5M guaranteed next year. If he does well, that will be a steal, and if he does poorly, it's not a lot to eat. The Bears currently have over $56M in cap space next year, so they probably don't need a similar trade to move on from Glennon.

The Brock deal was high-risk, the Glennon deal isn't, and it's not even close.

And while I agree that Jimmy is a better prospect, there's a chance that we keep him. And if we do, and don't franchises him next year, Chicago will be his first visit as a free agent.

Even if Chicago has to trade next year for a franchised QB, they will have more leverage because of the weight on the cap.

So I don't think it's now or never. And even with Jimmy G, they're a **** team. They know they're not one player away. And they might get their guy next year for less.

I don't necessarily think it is the right way to do it, but there is a logic to it. And the Glennon deal doesn't stop them from doing anything in the future. They have a low-risk, high-upside deal that doesn't cripple them in their future. It's not anything like that Brock deal.

 

[slash83]

If anything with JG goes down its gonna happen on draft day or the couple days leading up to it.

 

[Nehalem]

Glennon could be Osweiler 2.0. Hell the Texans just had to PAY another team a 2nd round pick to take that bad contract off their books. This is really the first time that has happened in the NFL -- paying a draft pick comp in exchange of getting rid of a bad contract. But now that it has happened, it won't be the first.

Chicago will have egg all over their faces if that's what happens with Glennon and they could have had Jimmy G if only they had offered up a 1st round pick. There is opportunity cost in picking an inferior option to a better option. Jimmy G won't come again.

They would have egg all over their face if they traded their 1 rounder and JG sucked too.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

They would have egg all over their face if they traded their 1 rounder and JG sucked too.

How would you be able to tell which egg it was, with all t heir first round QB busts?

 

[varjao]

For Chicago #3 was too much, it's the culture of this league and GMs, I think JimmyG made too much sense there, he's from Illinois, local product, good looking face, hope, the Bears need to sell tickets and get support from their fan base. Glennon is a stop gap, everybody knows that and I think Glennon is decent, better than Hoyer for example.

But if #3 was too much, they could have traded down to I don't know #15 and still get some ammo. So they could get JimmyG and still draft impact players maybe in the first more probably on the beginning of the 2nd round.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I don't find the "silence" to be "deafening" at all.

None of us can know what's inside BB's brain. Personally, I think he's going to hold onto JG and that there's nothing left to be done at this time, so one would expect silence about a player under his Rookie contract who has seen limited playing time.. But, claiming to know how Belichick is thinking is a fool's errand...so, I'll just sit back and soak in the silence.

 

[JayNM]

Well, it seems that the NFL meeting did make the Jimmy to the Browns talk resurface.

More talk in Cleveland of the Browns trading for Jimmy Garoppolo

Like the Butler talk, I don't expect any resolution until the Draft, at the earliest.

 

[BobDigital]

Well at this point does the fact he wants to hold on to JAG tell us he might be more ready to move on from Brady than we think?

IMO the only reason to hold on to JAG if you can get good value for him (which they can) is if you plan to go with him after this year.

 

[borg]

If NE is so inclined to move JG, it would make sense to reach a definitive resolution on Butler's future before negotiating with Cleveland. What package NE asks for from Cleveland would likely be influenced by the return NE receives from New Orleans if such a deal is ever struck.
If it was up to me, and NE reacquired their #32 from NO, I would ask for Cleveland's #1, #33 and a future 2nd rounder.
Miles Garrett will be a 3 down starter for the next five years filling a team need.
QB needy teams might offer NE a sweet package for their #32 or #33 to get ahead of other teams.
And the future #2 keeps the NE train refreshed with extra juice

Greedy ...but not too greedy....just right

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well at this point does the fact he wants to hold on to JAG tell us he might be more ready to move on from Brady than we think?

IMO the only reason to hold on to JAG if you can get good value for him (which they can) is if you plan to go with him after this year.

Couldn't disagree more. We have no idea what if anything has been offered and what Belichick's price is. If a team doesn't meet it Garrapolo stays and leaves as a free agent, unless of course you believe in Kellerman's Cliff, in which case reality has no bearing on the discussion, as all of the facts point to Brady's continued success and none towards his deterioration.

Anyone who wants to introduce a fact based argument for Brady getting worse in recent years is welcome to do so, to this point no one has despite dozens and dozens of pages discussing the question.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Well at this point does the fact he wants to hold on to JAG tell us he might be more ready to move on from Brady than we think?

IMO the only reason to hold on to JAG if you can get good value for him (which they can) is if you plan to go with him after this year.

Who says they have any what BB terms good value offers?

 

[patfanken]

For Chicago #3 was too much, it's the culture of this league and GMs, I think JimmyG made too much sense there, he's from Illinois, local product, good looking face, hope, the Bears need to sell tickets and get support from their fan base. Glennon is a stop gap, everybody knows that and I think Glennon is decent, better than Hoyer for example.

But if #3 was too much, they could have traded down to I don't know #15 and still get some ammo. So they could get JimmyG and still draft impact players maybe in the first more probably on the beginning of the 2nd round.

I really think Fox committed professional suicide by signing Glennon and NOT going after JG. Your plan for him to trade down from the #3 pick was a prefect scenario. He would have added picks in a deep draft that would have softened the blow of the Package he eventually would have given the Pats, instead he took a risk on a QB that had little success in a bad situation. He risked his job on believing it was the bad situation that made Glennon a bad QB. He bought into the narrative that JG is simply the product of a "good system"

Fox has proven his is a pretty good HC by NFL standards. Too bad he was talked into this career ending move. This April he will be picking good players who will probably blossom under a new HC.

Here's a scenario. Glennon fails, Fox is fired. McDaniel takes the Chicago job and signs Garapolo as a FA, and then takes over a well stocked team from the 2017 draft and starts a successful run in his hometown. Unfortunately this leaves the Pats with nothing more than a 2019 end of the round 3rd roiund pick.

So trade Jimmy for the 12th, 52nd (or 33 if you are playing hardball) and that conditional pick in 2018 that is likely to be a 2nd but could be a first.

 

[BobDigital]

Who says they have any what BB terms good value offers?

Well it seems fairly obvious they are willing to give up the #12 and at least another second and maybe more.

We can argue what we think JAG is worth but if the plan is to franchise him after this year and keep Brady I am not a fan of it. If you trade him now is the time to get value cause it will only go down in the months after the draft likely.

Couldn't disagree more. We have no idea what if anything has been offered and what Belichick's price is. If a team doesn't meet it Garrapolo stays and leaves as a free agent, unless of course you believe in Kellerman's Cliff, in which case reality has no bearing on the discussion, as all of the facts point to Brady's continued success and none towards his deterioration.

Anyone who wants to introduce a fact based argument for Brady getting worse in recent years is welcome to do so, to this point no one has despite dozens and dozens of pages discussing the question.

I don't think Brady is going to get worse in the next few years which is way I want to trade JAG for good value. What is good value id debatable and there are things I wouldn't trade him for him (He will surely get us a 3rd round comp pick if/when he hits FA also. That needs to be factored in).

I think we do have an idea of what Cleveland has offered. Whispers are the 12th pick plus a 2nd and maybe more. Yes no one in the organization will fess up to the exact amount offered but i believe this is probably accurate. You can choose to believe it or not believe it.

The whispers about the price for Cooks seemed to be pretty spot on so i think there is something to it. If that is the price offered do you think it is a good deal for the Pats to take?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well it seems fairly obvious they are willing to give up the #12 and at least another second and maybe more.

We can argue what we think JAG is worth but if the plan is to franchise him after this year and keep Brady I am not a fan of it. If you trade him now is the time to get value cause it will only go down in the months after the draft likely.



I don't think Brady is going to get worse in the next few years which is way I want to trade JAG for good value. What is good value id debatable and there are things I wouldn't trade him for him (He will surely get us a 3rd round comp pick if/when he hits FA also. That needs to be factored in).

I think we do have an idea of what Cleveland has offered. Whispers are the 12th pick plus a 2nd and maybe more. Yes no one in the organization will fess up to the exact amount offered but i believe this is probably accurate. You can choose to believe it or not believe it.

The whispers about the price for Cooks seemed to be pretty spot on so i think there is something to it. If that is the price offered do you think it is a good deal for the Pats to take?

I'd like to think you are right about the offers but we have also heard they hadn't made any offers and that they wouldn't give up first round picks. So I honestly don't know whats true but the Browns obviously have to make an offer for us to find out.

 

[bruce_w]

There is no news because the Patriots told everyone that he will not be traded. The next news you hear will be when they sign Jimmy to a long term contract.

 

[The Gr8est]

If anything with JG goes down its gonna happen on draft day or the couple days leading up to it.

Gotta wonder why a disagree is not a better option than a dislike for a message like this.

 

[Clonamery]

Gotta wonder why a disagree is not a better option than a dislike for a message like this.

Likes Plan A better...

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Why do we have to believe rumors that it's obvious Cleve has offered their 12th round pick, plus a 2nd etc. for JAG?
It's fanboy wish projection.