The Krafts are relentless in their assault on Belichick's coaching.

[vicspats]

If Mayo fails it will 100% go down the same way. Pats consistently **** on players who leave them when said leaving is bad for PR.

Huh ?? You aren’t from around these parts. The Pats front office never **** on nobody…. Billy always took the high road ( unbelievable high road if you ask me) he didn’t say anything ever about guys leaving …most of Pats media does in fact suck.. but they themselves don’t really knock players or coaches ( other than Big Shoulders Bill ) … it’s the Pats fans who lambaste anybody who leaves willingly or forcefully from this organization.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It's pathetic that we have spoiled brats as fans. Spoiled by all the winning.

Teams rebuild. It's normal. You guys won't be around anyway because you want instant gratification.

So you're going to attack the Patriots fanbase because they don't agree with you that BB was doing a great job the past 4 years?

OK. How about you not resort to personal attacks and stick to talking actual football? You sound like you've gone off the deep end now.

We get that you think BB could do no wrong, we just disagree with that opinion based on the results. It's time to move on and get over it already. BB is gone, let it go already.

Everyone has a right to a personal opinion but there has to be a push back when you start talking down your nose to people. That's not cool and I'm not sure this thread is productive given how far it has devolved.

 

[festy1986]

Kraft AND Bill pushed out Brady.

It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure that out and it doesn't do any good to get and figure out which one had 51% of the responsibility because it literally doesn't happen if one of them doesn't want it to.

In fact, when push came to shove, it was Kraft who Brady said you should talk to about why he doesn't have a contract and not Bill.

Kraft lost both on his watch and that's a undeniable fact.

 

[signbabybrady]

So you're going to attack the Patriots fanbase because they don't agree with you that BB was doing a great job the past 4 years?

OK. How about you not resort to personal attacks and stick to talking actual football? You sound like you've gone off the deep end now.

We get that you think BB could do no wrong, we just disagree with that opinion based on the results. It's time to move on and get over it already. BB is gone, let it go already.

Everyone has a right to a personal opinion but there has to be a push back when you start talking down your nose to people. That's not cool and I'm not sure this thread is productive given how far it has devolved.

I think he was speaking to specific forum members and not the fan base as whole (not that similar opinions don't exist off the board too).

And he's definitely gone off the deep end lol but never stop defending that wall.

 

[upstater1]

So you're going to attack the Patriots fanbase because they don't agree with you that BB was doing a great job the past 4 years?

OK. How about you not resort to personal attacks and stick to talking actual football? You sound like you've gone off the deep end now.

We get that you think BB could do no wrong, we just disagree with that opinion based on the results. It's time to move on and get over it already. BB is gone, let it go already.

Everyone has a right to a personal opinion but there has to be a push back when you start talking down your nose to people. That's not cool and I'm not sure this thread is productive given how far it has devolved.

You're the one off the deep end. You're frothing at the mouth.

I will respond in exactly the way I have to people who tell us to go root for another team. It implies we're not real fans. So stop being a hypocrite and realize what I was responding to.

 

[upstater1]

I think he was speaking to specific forum members and not the fan base as whole (not that similar opinions don't exist off the board too).

And he's definitely gone off the deep end lol but never stop defending that wall.

Half the fanbase is spoiled. I have absolutely no doubts about that.

But yes, I was responding to one specific forum member who thinks criticism of the Krafts means we should go root for another team.

No, I actually haven't gone off the deep end at all.

 

[ahmed]

Huh ?? You aren’t from around these parts. The Pats front office never **** on nobody…. Billy always took the high road ( unbelievable high road if you ask me) he didn’t say anything ever about guys leaving …most of Pats media does in fact suck.. but they themselves don’t really knock players or coaches ( other than Big Shoulders Bill ) … it’s the Pats fans who lambaste anybody who leaves willingly or forcefully from this organization.

Yes I am from Canada but I read plenty of local stuff on Pats (most through articles from posts here) and there are plenty of negative spin on players that leave.

Those are not just media fabrications as much as most on here love to believe. They are fed by the team to control narratives.

Just like is being done on Bill at the moment.

 

[borg]

It's pathetic that we have spoiled brats as fans. Spoiled by all the winning.

Teams rebuild. It's normal. You guys won't be around anyway because you want instant gratification.

It's year 5 of the rebuild and.......

 

[lancerman]

Kraft AND Bill pushed out Brady.

It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure that out and it doesn't do any good to get and figure out which one had 51% of the responsibility because it literally doesn't happen if one of them doesn't want it to.

In fact, when push came to shove, it was Kraft who Brady said you should talk to about why he doesn't have a contract and not Bill.

Kraft lost both on his watch and that's a undeniable fact.

Again this is a poor reading of the situation. Kraft had to side with Bill, but you can't ignore that Kraft had an either/or binary decision caused by the problems Brady had with Bill.

At the end of the day, Bill was the GM. People loved to talk about how genius Bill was with getting rid of players a year early when it worked out. They don't get to turn around when things didn't and pretend because Kraft cosigned Bill's work that Bill is less resonsible. Again, Bill WAS THE GM. It was the GM's job to negotiate and keep players. The QB had a serious problem with the GM and wanted to leave. The GM was unable to keep the player.

The only decision Kraft had was to undermine the GM to keep Brady happy. Kraft erred on what he always did and let Bill have autonomy to run things his way. That wasn't going to work for Brady.

Also this is kinda a loaded statement to act like Kraft "lost both". Bill wasn't "lost". He was fired for poor performance. Based on Bill's performance post Brady Kraft just lost a bad a GM and a coach who produced the worst special teams and offense in the NFL this year. That's not a lot lost.

But either way, the reality was that Kraft couldn't keep both. He could keep one at the expense of the other. He decided to operate on business as usual. The only real out Kraft could ever make was to identify that Bill was ****ty as a GM for years before Brady left and try to take that power away so somebody else would negotiate with Brady and maybe tell Bill that Brady gets treated differently and the two don't directly work together (which imo would have been a toxic environment). That probably would have led to Bill leaving anyways. But that's the only real way out.

 

[festy1986]

Again this is a poor reading of the situation. Kraft had to side with Bill, but you can't ignore that Kraft had an either/or binary decision caused by the problems Brady had with Bill.

At the end of the day, Bill was the GM. People loved to talk about how genius Bill was with getting rid of players a year early when it worked out. They don't get to turn around when things didn't and pretend because Kraft cosigned Bill's work that Bill is less resonsible. Again, Bill WAS THE GM. It was the GM's job to negotiate and keep players. The QB had a serious problem with the GM and wanted to leave. The GM was unable to keep the player.

The only decision Kraft had was to undermine the GM to keep Brady happy. Kraft erred on what he always did and let Bill have autonomy to run things his way. That wasn't going to work for Brady.

Also this is kinda a loaded statement to act like Kraft "lost both". Bill wasn't "lost". He was fired for poor performance. Based on Bill's performance post Brady Kraft just lost a bad a GM and a coach who produced the worst special teams and offense in the NFL this year. That's not a lot lost.

But either way, the reality was that Kraft couldn't keep both. He could keep one at the expense of the other. He decided to operate on business as usual. The only real out Kraft could ever make was to identify that Bill was ****ty as a GM for years before Brady left and try to take that power away so somebody else would negotiate with Brady and maybe tell Bill that Brady gets treated differently and the two don't directly work together (which imo would have been a toxic environment). That probably would have led to Bill leaving anyways. But that's the only real way out.

This still the same Bill that refused to accept his firing so he could collect his paycheck?

The same one who now finds him self without a job and unlikely to have a head coaching job in the NFL again?

The same Bill that gave us 4 horrendous seasons (minus the hot start to the 21 season) without Brady?

The only poor reading of the situation was allowing Bill to push out the best QB in the league without even a shred of a plan to replace him.

Kraft let both go and that will be his legacy when it's all said and done.

In case you was wondering what my point was let me break it down as simply put: Bill wasn't gonna do **** or go anywhere if Kraft demanded that Brady was kept on staff.

He wasn't going anywhere and even if he did what does it matter? The last 4 years have sucked anyway.

 

[signbabybrady]

Again this is a poor reading of the situation. Kraft had to side with Bill, but you can't ignore that Kraft had an either/or binary decision caused by the problems Brady had with Bill.

At the end of the day, Bill was the GM. People loved to talk about how genius Bill was with getting rid of players a year early when it worked out. They don't get to turn around when things didn't and pretend because Kraft cosigned Bill's work that Bill is less resonsible. Again, Bill WAS THE GM. It was the GM's job to negotiate and keep players. The QB had a serious problem with the GM and wanted to leave. The GM was unable to keep the player.

The only decision Kraft had was to undermine the GM to keep Brady happy. Kraft erred on what he always did and let Bill have autonomy to run things his way. That wasn't going to work for Brady.

Also this is kinda a loaded statement to act like Kraft "lost both". Bill wasn't "lost". He was fired for poor performance. Based on Bill's performance post Brady Kraft just lost a bad a GM and a coach who produced the worst special teams and offense in the NFL this year. That's not a lot lost.

But either way, the reality was that Kraft couldn't keep both. He could keep one at the expense of the other. He decided to operate on business as usual. The only real out Kraft could ever make was to identify that Bill was ****ty as a GM for years before Brady left and try to take that power away so somebody else would negotiate with Brady and maybe tell Bill that Brady gets treated differently and the two don't directly work together (which imo would have been a toxic environment). That probably would have led to Bill leaving anyways. But that's the only real way out.

Who can truly discern fact from fiction when half the crap we hear comes through terrible reporting. But I'm pretty sure it's widely believed that Kraft negotiated the deal with Brady that kept him here until 42.

 

[ahmed]

Kraft AND Bill pushed out Brady.

It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure that out and it doesn't do any good to get and figure out which one had 51% of the responsibility because it literally doesn't happen if one of them doesn't want it to.

In fact, when push came to shove, it was Kraft who Brady said you should talk to about why he doesn't have a contract and not Bill.

Kraft lost both on his watch and that's a undeniable fact.

I don't understand how any Pats fan that lived through the last 8-9 years, heard and read everything that has happened, can come up with any conclusion other than this.

Unless of course you live in denial and believe the world is a fairy tale made of flowers and roses.

 

[venecol]

Kraft AND Bill pushed out Brady.

It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure that out and it doesn't do any good to get and figure out which one had 51% of the responsibility because it literally doesn't happen if one of them doesn't want it to.

In fact, when push came to shove, it was Kraft who Brady said you should talk to about why he doesn't have a contract and not Bill.

Kraft lost both on his watch and that's a undeniable fact.

Tom also said there wasn't any amount of money that would've brought him back BECAUSE OF BILL.

 

[signbabybrady]

Tom also said there wasn't any amount of money that would've brought him back BECAUSE OF BILL.

Link?

 

[venecol]

"Me and Coach Belichick, we did what we loved and competed for 20 years together. But I wasn't going to sign another contract even if I wanted to play until 50," Brady said in the docuseries, per Graff's story. "Based on how things had gone, I wasn't going to sign up for more of it."

Tom Brady was not going to sign any contract for Bill Belichick, new documentary reveals

Tom Brady was as honest as possible when describing why his relationship with Bill Belichick and the Patriots came to an end in 2020.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[festy1986]

Tom also said there wasn't any amount of money that would've brought him back BECAUSE OF BILL.

Was it the 2 years of ******** negotiating that lead up to it?

The fact that he had to year after year fight for a contract while showing no decline in his game?

Bill ****ed this up. Kraft allowed him to do it.

They can both eat this L

 

[signbabybrady]

"Me and Coach Belichick, we did what we loved and competed for 20 years together. But I wasn't going to sign another contract even if I wanted to play until 50," Brady said in the docuseries, per Graff's story. "Based on how things had gone, I wasn't going to sign up for more of it."

Tom Brady was not going to sign any contract for Bill Belichick, new documentary reveals

Tom Brady was as honest as possible when describing why his relationship with Bill Belichick and the Patriots came to an end in 2020.

www.cbsnews.com

Sounds like he loved Bill and wasn't going to sign on for another reason I wonder what that was?

 

[sb1]

Bill was forced to draft McCorkle Mac Jones and forced to let Brady walk. I bet he was forced to hire Patricia to run his offense too. Not fair. Give Bill a chance! #BringBackBB

 

[condon84]

I would hate this for two reasons. One watching Mac is like watching Cam, I can't take it. Whiny, peevish baby. Two, you would be right and I hate admitting you were right.

Cam, as awful as a thrower of football he was when he joined our team, at least wasn't scared of his own shadow.

 

[condon84]

Was it the 2 years of ******** negotiating that lead up to it?

The fact that he had to year after year fight for a contract while showing no decline in his game?

Bill ****ed this up. Kraft allowed him to do it.

They can both eat this L

Bill stayed true to what he was, a hard ass coach who wanted to low-ball every negotiation. It brought 6 SBs to NE. Every story from incoming players always went something like "Bill treats everyone the same. He even yells at Brady".

I don't fault Brady for wanting to leave if he didn't want that kind of hard coaching anymore. That's his prerogative. But at the same time, I don't fault Bill either. It's who he is and him being uncompromising is what led us to the great run.

Kraft meddling, was something I didn't think would happen.