The 2014 Mock draft Thread.

[OhExaulted1]

dryheat44-I don't know what universe Fiedorowicz is Gronk insurance, but it's not this one....maybe Hoo-man insurance.

everlong-Totally agree on Fiedorowicz. I don't know where the analysts are getting his 3rd round grade is coming from .

KontradictioN-I've seen quite a few websites mock him to the Pats as well.

1st in the 3-cone, 1st in the 20 shuttle, as good a 40 as Amaro, more reps than ASJ, longer broad jump than Nicklas. He ain't Gronk but I'd say he's sounds and looks like a top 100 pick. Hoo-man? Really?

 

[dryheat44]

1st in the 3-cone, 1st in the 20 shuttle, as good a 40 as Amaro, more reps than ASJ, longer broad jump than Nicklas. He ain't Gronk but I'd say he's sounds and looks like a top 100 pick. Hoo-man? Really?

Yes. And I play piano better than Matt Damon, have a better body than Johnny Depp, and can run faster than George Clooney, but Super Models aren't banging down my door.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Yes. And I play piano better than Matt Damon, have a better body than Johnny Depp, and can run faster than George Clooney, but Super Models aren't banging down my door.

That's probably because your not as rich as any of them. The point I was making is he's not as outclassed by the anointed 3 (4 with Ebron) as some may believe on this board.

 

[Coach42]

That's probably because your not as rich as any of them. The point I was making is he's not as outclassed by the anointed 3 (4 with Ebron) as some may believe on this board.

His tape is outclassed though his numbers may not be. He's extremely average.

 

[Deus Irae]

1st in the 3-cone, 1st in the 20 shuttle, as good a 40 as Amaro, more reps than ASJ, longer broad jump than Nicklas. He ain't Gronk but I'd say he's sounds and looks like a top 100 pick. Hoo-man? Really?

Yes. And I play piano better than Matt Damon, have a better body than Johnny Depp, and can run faster than George Clooney, but Super Models aren't banging down my door.

His tape is outclassed though his numbers may not be. He's extremely average.

..... and this is why the Underwear Olympics have to be used as a small piece of a large puzzle instead of being viewed as the key to drafting.

 

[Brady6]

This draft is the deepest draft I have seen in at least a decade, I hope we find a way to add more picks in the rounds two, three, and four because there will be some really good players on the board.

 

[Brady6]

I floated this out in another thread, but assuming we can resign Edelman would you trade Mallett and Amendola to the Texans for the #33 pick?

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

This draft is the deepest draft I have seen in at least a decade, I hope we find a way to add more picks in the rounds two, three, and four because there will be some really good players on the board.

I've been thinking about this as well.

I floated this out in another thread, but assuming we can resign Edelman would you trade Mallett and Amendola to the Texans for the #33 pick?

Yes.

 

[Snake Eyes]

That's probably because your not as rich as any of them. The point I was making is he's not as outclassed by the anointed 3 (4 with Ebron) as some may believe on this board.

Why would 1 data point (the combine) lead you to discount many data points (his tape)? Everything I've seen on tape tells me that Ebron is in another league over The Fed, how does this weekend change anything?

 

[Off The Grid]

I floated this out in another thread, but assuming we can resign Edelman would you trade Mallett and Amendola to the Texans for the #33 pick?

If they were stupid enough I would pounce on that.

 

[Patriot Missile]

That's probably because your not as rich as any of them. The point I was making is he's not as outclassed by the anointed 3 (4 with Ebron) as some may believe on this board.

Ebron faced double teams almost every week and still tore it up. He deserves to be in a class by himself. The other 3? Have at it.

 

[OhExaulted1]

..... and this is why the Underwear Olympics have to be used as a small piece of a large puzzle instead of being viewed as the key to drafting.

Obviously it's not the sole key, but just getting invited is most certainly significant-

How are players selected for the NFL Combine?


Participants are determined annually by a Selection Committee. The Directors of both National and BLESTO scouting services, which combined represent twenty-five NFL teams, are joined by members of various NFL player personnel departments to form the committee. The participating NFL executives can rotate on a yearly basis, and remain anonymous. ALL eligible players are reviewed and voted on by the committee members. Each athlete receiving the necessary number of votes, by position, is then extended an invitation. While it is not a perfect science, the goal of the committee is to invite every player that will be drafted in the ensuing NFL Draft.

It's not like I think the kid is special, I just slotted us taking him @#93. If anyone thinks that's so far fetched beyond all comprehension so be it. If anyone here, including myself, we're an "expert" we'd be getting paid for our opinion. Otherwise it's just a casual throw a dart at the board pastime.

I actually slotted him there before the workout in my mock. The kid looked good from what I saw and this guy agrees and most draft/mock sites rate him high on their boards.

Feb. 22.-http://nesn.com/2014/02/nfl-combine-saturday-winners-and-losers-taylor-lewan-c-j-fiedorowicz-impress/

Same writer from Feb. 20-4:30 p.m.: On top of meeting with the Patriots, Fiderowicz also said he models his game after Rob Gronkowski. Fiedorowicz is one of the best blocking tight ends in this year’s draft class.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

This draft is the deepest draft I have seen in at least a decade, I hope we find a way to add more picks in the rounds two, three, and four because there will be some really good players on the board.

I fully expect the Patriots to trade down. I also expect them to pick two TEs, one with one of the first two picks and one of the last picks will be a TE.

 

[Deus Irae]

Obviously it's not the sole key, but just getting invited is most certainly significant-...

I don't have a problem with you, or anyone, liking a player. I have a problem with people using combine results as if they're dispositive. I don't really give a damn that Clowney did 21 reps. I care that he showed enough strength for the position. In fact, I'd rather have a guy who needs to put in a little work than having a guy like Gholston, who was maxed out coming out of college. I also don't care if a guy runs a 4.35 or a 4.4 in his underwear, after track training for months. That sort of difference doesn't mean much. In fact, they were talking about this, in a way, on NFLN today. They noted that the last 17 players to run in the 3.3's have only one who had a 1,000 yard season, and that one is Mike Wallace.

I look at the combine for numbers and patterns which are striking (supposed speed guy who only runs a 4.6, Dontari Poe killing it, etc...). Does that mean I don't love seeing a guy run a 4.3 if he's someone I had interest in? Hell, no. Does it mean that I won't sometimes talk about 'needing' my speed guys to run a certain number? No (But I'll smarten up about that over time, hopefully before that year's draft)*.

I want my fast guys to be fast, my strong guys to be strong, my agile guys to be agile, and the like. The specifics get far too overhyped.





*Having said that, give me Dri Archer, who must have run with a rocket strapped to his ass in order to run a 4.26.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

I don't have a problem with you, or anyone, liking a player. I have a problem with people using combine results as if they're dispositive. I don't really give a damn that Clowney did 21 reps. I care that he showed enough strength for the position. In fact, I'd rather have a guy who needs to put in a little work than having a guy like Gholston, who was maxed out coming out of college. I also don't care if a guy runs a 4.35 or a 4.4 in his underwear, after track training for months. That sort of difference doesn't mean much. In fact, they were talking about this, in a way, on NFLN today. They noted that the last 17 players to run in the 3.3's have only one who had a 1,000 yard season, and that one is Mike Wallace.

Julio Jones?

 

[mayoclinic]

They were talking about this, in a way, on NFLN today. They noted that the last 17 players to run in the 3.3's have only one who had a 1,000 yard season, and that one is Mike Wallace.

If you can find me 17 players who have run in the 3.3.'s, I'm sure BB can coach some of them up.

 

[OhExaulted1]

I don't have a problem with you, or anyone, liking a player. I have a problem with people using combine results as if they're dispositive. I don't really give a damn that Clowney did 21 reps. I care that he showed enough strength for the position. In fact, I'd rather have a guy who needs to put in a little work than having a guy like Gholston, who was maxed out coming out of college. I also don't care if a guy runs a 4.35 or a 4.4 in his underwear, after track training for months. That sort of difference doesn't mean much. In fact, they were talking about this, in a way, on NFLN today. They noted that the last 17 players to run in the 3.3's have only one who had a 1,000 yard season, and that one is Mike Wallace.

I look at the combine for numbers and patterns which are striking (supposed speed guy who only runs a 4.6, Dontari Poe killing it, etc...). Does that mean I don't love seeing a guy run a 4.3 if he's someone I had interest in? Hell, no. Does it mean that I won't sometimes talk about 'needing' my speed guys to run a certain number? No (But I'll smarten up about that over time, hopefully before that year's draft)*.

I want my fast guys to be fast, my strong guys to be strong, my agile guys to be agile, and the like. The specifics get far too overhyped.





*Having said that, give me Dri Archer, who must have run with a rocket strapped to his ass in order to run a 4.26.

Agreed. All good. The combine is just a piece of the puzzle. I remember thinking what a nice addition Vernon Gholston might be one year. Whew, Thanks Jets!!!!! Beware the workout warriors!

*Daniel "Shade Tree" McCullors 6-7 352# 36-7/8 arms 11" hands. I don't care what he lifts, runs or jumps. That's a BIG dude.

 

[mayoclinic]

Julio Jones?

4.39 official (listed as 4.34 on NFL Draftscout). Also DeSean Jackson in 2008 (4.35 official).

 

[Deus Irae]

Julio Jones?

In the last five years, 15 wide receivers have run a sub-4.40 40-yard dash. Of those 15, Mike Wallace is the only player to produce a 1,000-yard season (2010 and 2011). Wallace, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Johnny Knox are the only three players to have even reached 1,000 career receiving yards. The receiver with the best 40-yard dash time, Marquise Goodwin (4.27 in 2013), had 17 receptions for 283 yards and 3 touchdowns for the Bills last season.

Mind-blowing stats for the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine | NFL.com

They've either missed Jones, or Jones had that 4.39 adjusted up a bit. The overall point still seems to stand, though, I think. Top speed is not a guarantee of WR success.

 

[Deus Irae]

Obviously it's not the sole key, but just getting invited is most certainly significant-.

Just a follow up, in support of this part of your post:

Over the last 10 years, just 14 players not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine have been selected in the first three rounds of the NFL draft.

Since 1985, when each NFL team began participating in the combine, only three players have been selected in the first round of the draft without attending the combine. Those three make up 0.34 percent of the 874 first rounders selected in the last 29 years (since the combine began)

Mind-blowing stats for the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine | NFL.com