That was pass interference

[IllegalContact]

Of course, but in this case it was someone saying they agreed pass interference occured but disagreed with the ref calling it.

well.......that's nonsense

it's crap like that which keeps the world guessing

 

[Ring 6]

the call may have been not needed for the pats to score, but it was the right call.....the ref who threw the flag made the right call

Everyone gets all caught up in the idea that the ref shouldn't decide the game. Well if he doesn't throw the flag he is deciding it by allowing the defense to win by playing illegally. To wit, Carolina game.

Whichis worse? For a team to lose because they committed a penalty that wasn't overlooked or for a team to lose because the other team committed a penalty to prevent them from scoring but it wasn't called.

 

[IllegalContact]

Everyone gets all caught up in the idea that the ref shouldn't decide the game. Well if he doesn't throw the flag he is deciding it by allowing the defense to win by playing illegally. To wit, Carolina game.

Whichis worse? For a team to lose because they committed a penalty that wasn't overlooked or for a team to lose because the other team committed a penalty to prevent them from scoring but it wasn't called.

making the incorrect call is the worst.

 

[Deus Irae]

All the people saying it was a bad flag, don't worry Goodell will instruct the ref crew doing the game this week to call a few pass interference calls on the Pats and look the other way when the Dolphins line assaults Chandler Jones.

Go to a Chiefs board and you'll hear the same complaints about officials not calling holds made against Tamba Hali.

Find a team with a quality pass rusher, you'll find a fan base that's positive they're getting screwed about holding calls.

 

[Ring 6]

making the incorrect call is the worst.

Many fans believe not leaving the flag in your pocket late in the game is the worst thing that can happen. My point was that leads to the game being influenced by the officials even more than throwing the flag does.

 

[BradyManny]

Many fans believe not leaving the flag in your pocket late in the game is the worst thing that can happen. My point was that leads to the game being influenced by the officials even more than throwing the flag does.

AJ - I think the issue people take is really particular to pass interference, specifically due to the severity of the penalty. What other penalty grants the offended team all of the potential yardage from that play, regardless of whether its clear that yardage would've been earned or not?

The DPI call needs to be revisited, because the penalty is severe, and is arbitrarily and blindly enforced (as we've seen far too often, as we're more often than not on the wrong side of bad DPI calls).

If this were not an issue, if the penalty were not so game-changing, then you wouldn't see things like the Carolina game where the refs picked up a flag for a blatant and obvious DPI for fear of letting the outcome of the game be dictated by that call. To me, what makes sense is allowing grades of DPI, where the officials are allowed to determine whether the call is a 5 yard, 15 yard, or spot foul, depending on the egregiousness of the contact. I know that brings in a lot more subjectivity, but the call is subjective no matter what, and a gradient to the penalty would give greater margin of error to the referees.

As a Patriot fan, a part of me was disappointed the call was made because I felt like Brady was going to earn those 30 yards regardless, and it would've been more exciting to see him do it in another way. The more rational part of my brain quickly told the other part to shut up and I enjoyed the W.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

They no freakin' way I want an official making the decision on whether it is such a "big play" or not, and if it is a big play then he has the authority to ignore the rules of the game.

I want ref calls to be made based on the same standards and criteria, whether there is seconds left in the game or there is 8 minutes left in the first quarter.

Selectively ignoring rules to avoid "deciding the game" would in fact decide the game in a completely unfair and unreasonable fashion.

Let the NBA have their superstar calls for the last shot, but keep that crap out of the NFL, please!

 

[IllegalContact]

Many fans believe not leaving the flag in your pocket late in the game is the worst thing that can happen. My point was that leads to the game being influenced by the officials even more than throwing the flag does.

sticking to the facts is the only way it can work....otherwise, it's no better than pro wrestling

 

[IllegalContact]

AJ - I think the issue people take is really particular to pass interference, specifically due to the severity of the penalty. What other penalty grants the offended team all of the potential yardage from that play, regardless of whether its clear that yardage would've been earned or not?

The DPI call needs to be revisited, because the penalty is severe, and is arbitrarily and blindly enforced (as we've seen far too often, as we're more often than not on the wrong side of bad DPI calls).

If this were not an issue, if the penalty were not so game-changing, then you wouldn't see things like the Carolina game where the refs picked up a flag for a blatant and obvious DPI for fear of letting the outcome of the game be dictated by that call. To me, what makes sense is allowing grades of DPI, where the officials are allowed to determine whether the call is a 5 yard, 15 yard, or spot foul, depending on the egregiousness of the contact. I know that brings in a lot more subjectivity, but the call is subjective no matter what, and a gradient to the penalty would give greater margin of error to the referees.

As a Patriot fan, a part of me was disappointed the call was made because I felt like Brady was going to earn those 30 yards regardless, and it would've been more exciting to see him do it in another way. The more rational part of my brain quickly told the other part to shut up and I enjoyed the W.

anything other than going by the book de-legitimizes the sport...if the refs on the field fear taking the heat, then put it in the box

you simply can't have a ruling be different because its at a different point in the game........otherwise it becomes like the traveling or 3-second rule in the nba

 

[JMC00]

Go to a Chiefs board and you'll hear the same complaints about officials not calling holds made against Tamba Hali.

Find a team with a quality pass rusher, you'll find a fan base that's positive they're getting screwed about holding calls.

My post was of a joking nature. I get that holding probably gets called 25-30% of the time and i'm not complaining. But when I said assault I didn't mean holding, I meant actual assault.

 

[BradyManny]

you simply can't have a ruling be different because its at a different point in the game........otherwise it becomes like the traveling or 3-second rule in the nba

I'm not saying the different point in the game be the deciding factor. Let the amount of contact dictate the penalty. Reserve spot fouls for truly egregious contact. And the BS ticky-tack "not turning around" calls that go against the Pats, well, if the NFL really want to call those, make it akin to defensive holding.

The problem is all pass interferences, regardless of the disparities in the severity, force, disruptive effect and duration of the contact are lumped together as one infraction with one hugely severe penalty, when that is most certainly not the case.

 

[Uncle Meat]

People keep assuming the Patriots would not have scored had the penalty not been called, imo they were going to score either way. The Browns had shown absolutely no ability to stop them in the fourth quarter so i see no reason they would have somehow mustered the defense to do so then. Campbell had no problem moving the Browns almost to FG range, Brady would have finished the job either way,

LOL, the Patriots get the ball back with two-and-a-half minutes left, and the Browns started playing prevent defense. That's a HUGE part of the reason the Patriots even scored that first touchdown of the miraculous comeback, especially so quickly...the Patriots needed two touchdowns with 2:30 left and starting on their own 18 yardline. The Browns went into prevent mode.

Then the Patriots score a TD (against the prevent D), and a completely horrible unnecessary roughness penalty is called on that TD play. Even the homers can't contest how bad that penalty was...or maybe they will. So the Patriots kick off from the 50-yardline because of a BS call. Lucky them. They get the onside kick. A 10-yard pass is completed, and then the "questionable" pass interference call.

Without the officials, that last Patriots TD happened on an ELEVEN-YARD drive.

Assuming they still got the onside kick the same way, the Patriots should have gotten the ball on around their own 45, not the Cleveland 40-yardline. That's because of the terrible unnecessary roughness call. The Patriots had no timeouts and a minute left at that point, should have had to go about 55 yards. The Browns would NOT be playing prevent defense at that point, like they were on the previous drive.

The Browns actually have a VERY good defense. They only allowed one TD throughout the entire game against Tom freakin' Brady when they weren't playing prevent defense. Now you want to claim that it's a forgone conclusion that they score another TD anyway without these TWO penalties? I don't buy it. I don't rule out the possibility, but to say that it was inevitable is ridiculous.

 

[IllegalContact]

I'm not saying the different point in the game be the deciding factor. Let the amount of contact dictate the penalty. Reserve spot fouls for truly egregious contact. And the BS ticky-tack "not turning around" calls that go against the Pats, well, if the NFL really want to call those, make it akin to defensive holding.

The problem is all pass interferences, regardless of the disparities in the severity, force, disruptive effect and duration of the contact are lumped together as one infraction with one hugely severe penalty, when that is most certainly not the case.

I disagree......either it is interference or it isn't. once the ball is thrown, it is automatically interference and can't be anything else

it doesn't matter whether it is just a tug on a jersey or a complete tackle, both achieve the same result which is not giving the WR his right based on the rules to catch the ball. and turning it into anything other than spot of foul will make impossible for a long pass to be completed late in a game even if it is a perfect throw

 

[upstater1]

LOL, the Patriots get the ball back with two-and-a-half minutes left, and the Browns started playing prevent defense. That's a HUGE part of the reason the Patriots even scored that first touchdown of the miraculous comeback, especially so quickly...the Patriots needed two touchdowns with 2:30 left and starting on their own 18 yardline. The Browns went into prevent mode.

Then the Patriots score a TD (against the prevent D), and a completely horrible unnecessary roughness penalty is called on that TD play. Even the homers can't contest how bad that penalty was...or maybe they will. So the Patriots kick off from the 50-yardline because of a BS call. Lucky them. They get the onside kick. A 10-yard pass is completed, and then the "questionable" pass interference call.

Without the officials, that last Patriots TD happened on an ELEVEN-YARD drive.

Assuming they still got the onside kick the same way, the Patriots should have gotten the ball on around their own 45, not the Cleveland 40-yardline. That's because of the terrible unnecessary roughness call. The Patriots had no timeouts and a minute left at that point. The Browns would NOT be playing prevent defense at that point, like they were on the previous drive.

The Browns actually have a VERY good defense. They only allowed one TD throughout the entire game against Tom freakin' Brady when they weren't playing prevent defense. Now you want to claim that it's a forgone conclusion that they score another TD anyway without these penalties? I don't buy it. I don't rule out the possibility, but to say that it was inevitable is ridiculous.

ROFL!!! Great impersonation... but Halloween was a month ago.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not saying the different point in the game be the deciding factor. Let the amount of contact dictate the penalty. Reserve spot fouls for truly egregious contact. And the BS ticky-tack "not turning around" calls that go against the Pats, well, if the NFL really want to call those, make it akin to defensive holding.

The problem is all pass interferences, regardless of the disparities in the severity, force, disruptive effect and duration of the contact are lumped together as one infraction with one hugely severe penalty, when that is most certainly not the case.

All defensive pass interferences are defenders trying to prevent an offensive player from making a catch after the ball has been thrown, and doing so in a manner that is not allowed under the current rules.

 

[Snake Eyes]

making the incorrect call is the worst.

A bad call is no better or worse than a bad non-call.

 

[BradyManny]

I disagree......either it is interference or it isn't. once the ball is thrown, it is automatically interference and can't be anything else

it doesn't matter whether it is just a tug on a jersey or a complete tackle, both achieve the same result which is not giving the WR his right based on the rules to catch the ball. and turning it into anything other than spot of foul will make impossible for a long pass to be completed late in a game even if it is a perfect throw

On the contrary, I would say that armed with the ability to hand out a punishment proportional to the crime, referees would not be so hesitant to throw the flag for DPI late in the game as they are now.

 

[Deus Irae]

LOL, the Patriots get the ball back with two-and-a-half minutes left, and the Browns started playing prevent defense. That's a HUGE part of the reason the Patriots even scored that first touchdown of the miraculous comeback, especially so quickly...the Patriots needed two touchdowns with 2:30 left and starting on their own 18 yardline. The Browns went into prevent mode.

Then the Patriots score a TD (against the prevent D), and a completely horrible unnecessary roughness penalty is called on that TD play. Even the homers can't contest how bad that penalty was...or maybe they will. So the Patriots kick off from the 50-yardline because of a BS call. Lucky them. They get the onside kick. A 10-yard pass is completed, and then the "questionable" pass interference call.

Without the officials, that last Patriots TD happened on an ELEVEN-YARD drive.

Assuming they still got the onside kick the same way, the Patriots should have gotten the ball on around their own 45, not the Cleveland 40-yardline. That's because of the terrible unnecessary roughness call. The Patriots had no timeouts and a minute left at that point. The Browns would NOT be playing prevent defense at that point, like they were on the previous drive.

The Browns actually have a VERY good defense. They only allowed one TD throughout the entire game against Tom freakin' Brady when they weren't playing prevent defense. Now you want to claim that it's a forgone conclusion that they score another TD anyway without these penalties? I don't buy it. I don't rule out the possibility, but to say that it was inevitable is ridiculous.

You'd been doing pretty well in this thread. Until this.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL, the Patriots get the ball back with two-and-a-half minutes left, and the Browns started playing prevent defense. That's a HUGE part of the reason the Patriots even scored that first touchdown of the miraculous comeback, especially so quickly...the Patriots needed two touchdowns with 2:30 left and starting on their own 18 yardline. The Browns went into prevent mode.

Then the Patriots score a TD (against the prevent D), and a completely horrible unnecessary roughness penalty is called on that TD play. Even the homers can't contest how bad that penalty was...or maybe they will. So the Patriots kick off from the 50-yardline because of a BS call. Lucky them. They get the onside kick. A 10-yard pass is completed, and then the "questionable" pass interference call.

Without the officials, that last Patriots TD happened on an ELEVEN-YARD drive.

Assuming they still got the onside kick the same way, the Patriots should have gotten the ball on around their own 45, not the Cleveland 40-yardline. That's because of the terrible unnecessary roughness call. The Patriots had no timeouts and a minute left at that point. The Browns would NOT be playing prevent defense at that point, like they were on the previous drive.

The Browns actually have a VERY good defense. They only allowed one TD throughout the entire game against Tom freakin' Brady when they weren't playing prevent defense. Now you want to claim that it's a forgone conclusion that they score another TD anyway without these penalties? I don't buy it. I don't rule out the possibility, but to say that it was inevitable is ridiculous.

So if there wasnt helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless receiver and pass interfence to prevent a TD, then what???????????

 

[IllegalContact]

A bad call is no better or worse than a bad non-call.

hence 'incorrect'