Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[patsfanfromoversea]

So more like 4.6-4.7 with Laser at combine which is abysmal slow, he is slower than 250 pound edge rushers lol

 

[Patsgofor4]

I'm amazed about how many people here are ignorant about the utility and accuracy of a hand-timed pro day 40 versus a laser-timed combine 40. The most common conversion used is to add 0.1 seconds to the pro day 40. In past years, I've heard people add as much as 0.2 seconds.

Plus, 4.48 is likely a propaganda time by Arizona and his agent. Want evidence of this?



So if he had run at the combine with a laser-timed 40, you're probably talking about 4.6+ and some of you are using this pro day time as a reason to bump him up to 3rd on your list of draft prospects. Lol. Clueless.

This is exactly why he and his agent set it up this way. Decline to run at the combine, with a more accurate 40 time and an apples to apples comparison to your peers and then run a hand-timed 40 at your pro day which makes you look fast when you really still aren't fast and use a time that was faster than the scouts stopwatches and then use a high profile insider to broadcast that cherry-picked time.

 

[lancerman]

McMillan ran in the mid 4.5s and not a 4.48. Not that it matters that much. Did he do any other testing? That would be a red flag and would show he’s concerned about his athleticism.

He doesn’t project as a high end WR to me given his lack of separation ability. He’s a top end number 2. It doesn’t feel like a good use of the number 4 pick. Especially when we could have had Metcalf for 38 or could still get Aiyuk.

Metcalf cost the 38 because the Steelers needed to sign him for $33 million per year for 4 years.

Aiyuk if we get him (doubtful) would similarly cost a 2nd and you'd be paying $30 million per year. He's also 27 coming off a season ending injury.

Both of those guys are EASILY a first round pick at least if you got them for a full rookie contract.

You can't ignore that when you factor in what players are worth, unless it's a QB, a veteran contract is going to be weighed against the trade. The flipside is, you get a proven commodity. The draft has inherit risk no matter who you pick.

 

[Fuzz]

I don’t think it’s fair to assume he would run a laser 4.6+. Literally all the reports have him hand timed under 4.6. His tape puts him in the top 5. He’s top 5 on nearly all big boards. He was expected to drop only because people assumed he would not run or run a 4.6+. That didn’t happen, so he would be a fine choice at #4.

 

[lancerman]

Bottom line is if Hunter and Carter are gone, no one wants to trade up, who is the most talented player left? That’s who we take. This Team sorely needs talent.

Graham is the most talented player in that scenario. The question is whether we really want to go defense when we just heavily addressed defense in free agency and offense has been a problem since 2019 and we are coming off 2 years with league bottom offenses.

There's going to be a point where this team needs to a grow a set of nuts and take some risks in investing on the offense. Punting and stockpiling on defense hasn't exactly worked out (realistically aside from last year, and you could argue alot of that was Mayo and Covington, we've had some pretty good defenses).

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

I still want to know how such a talent got shut down by Northern Arizona... 2 receptions, 11 yards.

Justin Jefferson senior year v. Vanderbilt. 2 receptions 18 yards


Jamar Chase v the all powerful Georgia Southern 2 receptions 21 yards his senior year

They both seem to be OK

 

[zimmy]

Metcalf cost the 38 because the Steelers needed to sign him for $33 million per year for 4 years.

Aiyuk if we get him (doubtful) would similarly cost a 2nd and you'd be paying $30 million per year. He's also 27 coming off a season ending injury.

Both of those guys are EASILY a first round pick at least if you got them for a full rookie contract.

You can't ignore that when you factor in what players are worth, unless it's a QB, a veteran contract is going to be weighed against the trade. The flipside is, you get a proven commodity. The draft has inherit risk no matter who you pick.

We have more cap space than we can use. The money isn’t an issue. So in this instance, it really is whether you would rather have McMillan at 4 or Metcalf at 38.

 

[lancerman]

Justin Jefferson senior year v. Vanderbilt. 2 receptions 18 yards


Jamar Chase v the all powerful Georgia Southern 2 receptions 21 yards his senior year

They both seem to be OK

Anomalies exist. Gonzalez will shutdown some of the best WR's in the league and then have an awful game where someone you wouldn't think of beats him a few times. Moss had one of the best receiver seasons ever in 2007 then had his worst game where he only had 4 receptions for 34 yards against a Ravens team that was 20th in passing defense.

 

[dliverey44]

Didn't Polk run almost the same time and everyone told me that was slow as ****?

Not my ****, it goes fast. Too fast depending on who you ask

Yes you are remembering correctly and then those same people were like lets get Higgins or Aiyuk both were low 4.5

 

[VJCPatriot]

McMillan ran in the mid 4.5s and not a 4.48. Not that it matters that much. Did he do any other testing? That would be a red flag and would show he’s concerned about his athleticism.

He doesn’t project as a high end WR to me given his lack of separation ability. He’s a top end number 2. It doesn’t feel like a good use of the number 4 pick. Especially when we could have had Metcalf for 38 or could still get Aiyuk.

Metcalf didn't want to come here or we would have made the trade. We certainly had better picks to offer than the Steelers.

 

[signbabybrady]

I'm amazed about how many people here are ignorant about the utility and accuracy of a hand-timed pro day 40 versus a laser-timed combine 40. The most common conversion used is to add 0.1 seconds to the pro day 40. In past years, I've heard people add as much as 0.2 seconds.

Plus, 4.48 is likely a propaganda time by Arizona and his agent. Want evidence of this?



So if he had run at the combine with a laser-timed 40, you're probably talking about 4.6+ and some of you are using this pro day time as a reason to bump him up to 3rd on your list of draft prospects. Lol. Clueless.

This is exactly why he and his agent set it up this way. Decline to run at the combine, with a more accurate 40 time and an apples to apples comparison to your peers and then run a hand-timed 40 at your pro day which makes you look fast when you really still aren't fast and use a time that was faster than the scouts stopwatches and then use a high profile insider to broadcast that cherry-picked time.

It's not bumping him to 3. It's that we probably would have had him at 3 had the propaganda not convinced us otherwise and hand timed or laser I think there is enough proof here to say that propaganda was BS.

Also if we are going to knock the hand times we can't just take the slowest one and add .1 seconds maybe average a bunch of them together first or something like that.

 

[lancerman]

We have more cap space than we can use. The money isn’t an issue. So in this instance, it really is whether you would rather have McMillan at 4 or Metcalf at 38.

Money is 100% a consideration when you trade assets regardless of your cap space. The Patriots weren't going to spend more than a high 2nd on Metcalf just because they could take the cap hit better. It's bad business.

Anyways, you are asking a question of risk. If Tet pans out like he's projected, then he's a no brainer. But let's just normalize this and just say he equals Metcalf as a player and the quality is not the question. Then yeah you still 100% use your draft pick on a weapon that you can pair with Maye and have a several dirt cheap years of them gelling together where you can splurge elsewhere before you need to worry about paying 30+ million.

Most teams if they needed a WR would take Metcalf at 4 if they knew what they were getting.

 

[Patsgofor4]

So more like 4.6-4.7 with Laser at combine which is abysmal slow, he is slower than 250 pound edge rushers lol

Yet here are some Pats Fans reactions to his Pro Day, after Tet showed off his blazing 4.65 speed:

This is huge news. Running a sub 4.5 at his size I think puts him right in the discussion for our #4 pick if Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter are both gone.

This news bumps him up to third on my draft board:
1. Hunter
2. Carter
3. Tmac
4. Campbell

I'm locked in now. My draft wish list goes:
Hunter
Carter
McMillan


LOL.

 

[gobesmug]

N’Keal Harry ran a 4.53 at the combine…. Just sayin’….

(ducks)

I'm not a tet fan, but he is over 2 inches taller than Harry. He also has massive hands at 10" which I think is an underrated metric for WRs. His game film is also much better than Harry's.

The more I watch him, the more he reminds me of Mike Evans. Neither one is a sudden move WR, but the size and length makes it a monster for most DBs to cover 1 on 1.

I do see Tet getting shutdown by strong press man corners. Not my favorite pick for #4 but if Hunter and Carter are gone at #4 then I wouldn't hate the pick. Wouldn't be my first choice at all but I could live with it.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Here is Mike Evans draft profile for comparison
Evans had a slower 40 time but was a more physical WR

Mike Evans Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Mike Evans

www.nfl.com

If we get a player who turns out even close to Mike Evans or his other pro comp Drake London, I would be more than happy to welcome T-Mac to the Patriots.

 

[gobesmug]

Graham is the most talented player in that scenario. The question is whether we really want to go defense when we just heavily addressed defense in free agency and offense has been a problem since 2019 and we are coming off 2 years with league bottom offenses.

There's going to be a point where this team needs to a grow a set of nuts and take some risks in investing on the offense. Punting and stockpiling on defense hasn't exactly worked out (realistically aside from last year, and you could argue alot of that was Mayo and Covington, we've had some pretty good defenses).

If Graham is viewed as the best player by the FO then take him. Milton, Barmore, and Graham as an interior rotational rush would be like the Eagles last year and we saw how that decimated the Chiefs.

Sign me for an elite pass rushing defense

 

[lancerman]

Yet here are some Pats Fans reactions to his Pro Day, after Tet showed off his blazing 4.65 speed:

This is huge news. Running a sub 4.5 at his size I think puts him right in the discussion for our #4 pick if Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter are both gone.

This news bumps him up to third on my draft board:
1. Hunter
2. Carter
3. Tmac
4. Campbell

I'm locked in now. My draft wish list goes:
Hunter
Carter
McMillan


LOL.

You're missing the point. Tet on tape beat the guys he was against and was catching wide open.

The knock against him was competition and the theory that he'd test slow at the combine and it would prove he was a mirage who would need to catch contested catches. It was typical draft FUD. And frankly most of it was Pats fans comparing him to Harry.

Well he didn't run slow. So now that the pearl clutching was unfounded we can evaluate his tape for what it was and it was a guy who was winning his match ups while also having great size for his position and having the physical profile you would want to create mismatches.

This was a case of the "yeah but" being held against him and it now being unfounded. Not a case of a guy the tape said we should worry about and grasping at straws over the first bit of a contradictory evidence.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'm amazed about how many people here are ignorant about the utility and accuracy of a hand-timed pro day 40 versus a laser-timed combine 40. The most common conversion used is to add 0.1 seconds to the pro day 40. In past years, I've heard people add as much as 0.2 seconds.

Plus, 4.48 is likely a propaganda time by Arizona and his agent. Want evidence of this?



So if he had run at the combine with a laser-timed 40, you're probably talking about 4.6+ and some of you are using this pro day time as a reason to bump him up to 3rd on your list of draft prospects. Lol. Clueless.

This is exactly why he and his agent set it up this way. Decline to run at the combine, with a more accurate 40 time and an apples to apples comparison to your peers and then run a hand-timed 40 at your pro day which makes you look fast when you really still aren't fast and use a time that was faster than the scouts stopwatches and then use a high profile insider to broadcast that cherry-picked time.

Conspiracy theory typical Homer PatsFans behavior...the British are coming the British are coming.

 

[dliverey44]

We're talking about a pro day 40, not a combine 40, btw. There's a reason he didn't run at the combine.

The 40 times are **** anyway

 

[lancerman]

If Graham is viewed as the best player by the FO then take him. Milton, Barmore, and Graham as an interior rotational rush would be like the Eagles last year and we saw how that decimated the Chiefs.

Sign me for an elite pass rushing defense

You can't leave Maye high and dry another year on offense and expect him to develop. We've been doing this "let's keep going defense because we know how to identify talent there" and the offense has suffered and it just isn't working out.

We can't draft a second rookie QB in the last 5 years and spend another year not giving him anything. It's complete insanity.