Tebow, Blount, Edelman

[manxman2601]

See that's where we disagree, you all give Tebow all the credit for their 8-8 record.

In the second half of the season the Broncos won because of,

1. McGahee became the starting RB after a season ending injury to Moreno.
2. Brandon Lloyd was traded, not only removing a looker room cancer but also clearing the way for Thomas and Decker.
3. Dumervil returned in week 3 after missing the entire 2010 season due to injury. He had 9.5 sacks that year all in the second half of the season aka Tebow time.
4. Von Miller exploded in the second half of his rookie season.
5. DJ Williams also returned from injury after missing most of the first half with a shoulder injury.
6. It was Fox's first season as coach, to be expected it took a bit for the players to adjust to him, especially the defensive scheme switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3.

Tebow may of helped but not the way some of you make it out to be.

"some of you". Woah there. Who are these "some of you" people?

And yes, football is a team game. I agree. So why dismiss the QB as an integral part of the team?

 

[Brady6]

OK. Now we're playing.

Alex Smith completion percentage last year - 70.2%

That's 10% more than...well I've already mentioned them.

This completion percentage argument in isolation is ridiculous because I'd like to be confident that Charlie Batch is not better than Brady, that Christian Ponder and Ryan Fitzpatrick are not better than Eli Manning or Joe Flacco and that Alex Smith is not better than Joe Montana.

Your not really arguing that a 47% completion rate is acceptable for a QB in the NFL?

That's ludacris!

Tebow made the playoffs with an 8-8 record on the worst division in football. The games he won all came against teams with non winning records with the exception of the Steelers playoff game.

Why don't you just accept the fact that he is even on a team as a backup. It's a good thing considering he was a punt protector last year.

 

[belichick010405]

"some of you". Woah there. Who are these "some of you" people?

And yes, football is a team game. I agree. So why dismiss the QB as an integral part of the team?

And why would you dismiss facts?

Why would you dismiss the other 23 starters as "an integral part of the team"?

You cannot have it both ways.

Tebow's last start was against New England. He was 9-26. Last I checked, that sucks. What also sucks is a 47% completion rate which is what he had in 2011.

 

[manxman2601]

I didn't know that you knew Tebow. Please admire him. We enjoy comedy from time to time.

And there we have it. Your prejudice has nothing to do with him as a football player and everything to do with something else. Why wouldn't I admire him? Most people who come into contact with him do. Why would admiring him be comedic?

 

[belichick010405]

And there we have it. Your prejudice has nothing to do with him as a football player and everything to do with something else. Why wouldn't I admire him? Most people who come into contact with him do. Why would admiring him be comedic?

I would admire him more if he was in the Peace Corps.

Instead, you are gloating your affection on a "quarterback" who had a 47% completion rate including going 9-26 against the Patriots in his last NFL start.

It is truly comical.

 

[Christiancat]

And those would be?

I know the true answer but love to know what you think. If your answer is:

a)Red, White and Blue

or

B) Someone who thinks that Tebow is an interesting addition at the end of the roster, is a person I'd like to see succeed and is a person worth admiring.

Then you'd be right. Anything else and you'd be wrong.

I agree with a majority of your posts. Some people are just trying to pick on Tebow. There is no "I" in team. If you support the team than you should wish the best for everyone on it.

 

[manxman2601]

And why would you dismiss facts?

Why would you dismiss the other 23 starters as "an integral part of the team"?

I never have.

Tebow's last start was against New England. He was 9-26. Last I checked, that sucks.

Yeah, it's not good. And if we judged players on one bad performance and dismissed them as never being able to improve then you'd have a point.

 

[belichick010405]

I agree with a majority of your posts. Some people are just trying to pick on Tebow. There is no I in team. If you support the team than you should wish the best for everyone on it.

Ok - so why don't you tell us how you feel about the potential roles of Julian Edelman?

Do you think that he is going to start and how much targets do you expect him to have over a 16-game season?

 

[belichick010405]

I never have.




Yeah, it's not good. And if we judged players on one bad performance and dismissed them as never being able to improve then you'd have a point.

I see that you decided to dismiss his 47% completion rate in all of the 2011 season. Good job.

 

[Brady6]

"some of you". Woah there. Who are these "some of you" people?

And yes, football is a team game. I agree. So why dismiss the QB as an integral part of the team?

Some of you = people here only to support 1 player out of 88. People who discuss the possibility of Tom Brady being injured in a positive light. People who care more about one guy than the franchise itself.

I don't dismiss Tebow, but your not seeing things eyes wide open. His stats don't support what you say, his record doesn't, and his worth on the free agent and trade market doesn't support it. Facts are facts man.

 

[Christiancat]

Your not really arguing that a 47% completion rate is acceptable for a QB in the NFL?

That's ludacris!

Tebow made the playoffs with an 8-8 record on the worst division in football. The games he won all came against teams with non winning records with the exception of the Steelers playoff game.

Why don't you just accept the fact that he is even on a team as a backup. It's a good thing considering he was a punt protector last year.

Yeah, Brady6 I can see where your coming from but poster belicheck010405 exaggerates Tebow's decencies and doesn't give him any credit for anything good he has done on the football field. I'm not saying Tim is as good as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but just not as bad as some try to make him out to be.

 

[jmt57]

There is no "I" in team. If you support the team than you should wish the best for everyone on it.

So then there should be zero discussion about what players should or should not make the team and which players should not?

Just because somebody says Player A is better than Player B and therefore not agree that Player B should be on the roster, that does not automatically mean that person does not support the team.

It's the off season, a few weeks away from the start of training camp. This is what fans of football teams do at this time of the year, debate who they think will (and won't) make the team, and who should (and should not) survive training camp cuts and make the roster.

 

[manxman2601]

I would admire him more if he was in the Peace Corps.

Instead, you are gloating your affection on a "quarterback" who had a 47% completion rate including going 9-26 against the Patriots in his last NFL start.

It is truly comical.

It's interesting that you get so aggressive in your 'arguments'. I'm someone who quite likes Tebow. I struggle to see the harm in that. Why do you feel the need to resort to insults? Interesting.

 

[belichick010405]

Yeah, Brady6 I can see where your coming from but poster belicheck010405 exaggerates Tebow's decencies and doesn't give him any credit for anything good he has done on the football field. I'm not saying Tim is as good as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but just not as bad as some try to make him out to be.

No offense - but you are out of your bleeping mind. No quarterback in the history of this league will succeed over the long term with a completion rate of 47% and you expect Tebow to do so?

So again - why don't you answer my question. What do you think about Julian Edelman's role this year? Do you even know who Julian Edelman is?

 

[Brady6]

I see that you decided to dismiss his 47% completion rate in all of the 2011 season. Good job.

It was actually 46.5%. His 50% last year drove it up that .05%

The thing I appreciate most is his average of 9 completions per game in 2011. Yes I said 9...

9

Nine..

No toes needed to keep count.

 

[Demosthenes]

It is relevant when it comes to Tebow. The benchmark for starting QB's is you have to have a passing completion percentage of no less than 60% from a efficiency perspective. This is well known as fact across the league.

"No less than 60%" huh ?

Wow. Eli Manning has played for 9 seasons in the NFL and only reached 60% in 4 of those seasons. Matter of factly, his career comp % is 58.6%

Joe Flacco has had back to back years of being sub 60%, including this past season.

Are there anomalies? Yes, Michael Vick is a guy with a completion percentage less than 60% but is certainly above 50% and runs the ball a lot better than Tebow.

If you think that passing completion percentage doesn't matter then go take a poll of the 32 head coaches and ask that question.

Thanks for playing and btw - in the next two to three years, yea, I think Ryan will probably be better than Brady.

IF you ask NFL coaches, they'll probably say the same thing that John Elway stated, which is that comp % is largely related to the kinds of passes being thrown. That when a higher majority of your passes are down field, your comp % is going to be lower.

Also, in Tebow's case, high percentage short passes are replaced with running the ball.

Again, don't read more into than what I am saying. Tebow does need to work on his mechanics and become more consistent. BUT, it's borderline insanity to sit there and say that Ryan Lindley is a better QB because he has a higher comp %.

 

[Christiancat]

So then there should be zero discussion about what players should or should not make the team and which players should not?

Just because somebody says Player A is better than Player B and therefore not agree that Player B should be on the roster, that does not automatically mean that person does not support the team.

It's the off season, a few weeks away from the start of training camp. This is what fans of football teams do at this time of the year, debate who they think will (and won't) make the team, and who should (and should not) survive training camp cuts and make the roster.

I think discussion and debate about who's better as a player, who should make the roster etc. is good as long as people don't go overboard with it. IMO

I hope if Tim makes the Team, he can get more support from All the Pats fans. I support the team and Tim Tebow. I've been a supporter of both for years.

 

[belichick010405]

"No less than 60%" huh ?

Wow. Eli Manning has played for 9 seasons in the NFL and only reached 60% in 4 of those seasons. Matter of factly, his career comp % is 58.6%

Joe Flacco has had back to back years of being sub 60%, including this past season.





IF you ask NFL coaches, they'll probably say the same thing that John Elway stated, which is that comp % is largely related to the kinds of passes being thrown. That when a higher majority of your passes are down field, your comp % is going to be lower.

Also, in Tebow's case, high percentage short passes are replaced with running the ball.

Again, don't read more into than what I am saying. Tebow does need to work on his mechanics and become more consistent. BUT, it's borderline insanity to sit there and say that Ryan Lindley is a better QB because he has a higher comp %.

You need to learn how to read and more importantly, comprehend what you are reading.

 

[Deus Irae]

It turns out there are at least 35 better QBs in the league too, at one point last season Mark Sanchez was the 34th ranked QB in the league and when he went down GREG MCELROY got the start, not super duper Timmy!

The guy is a scrub and should not be in the league, you poor indoctrinated souls need to see this - if the Pats didn't pick him up off the scrap heap for whatever reason the guy would not be in the league at all.

See, that is the sort of ridiculous post that makes the Tebow fanatics look rational and reasonable by comparison.

 

[belichick010405]

Well I hope if Tim makes the Tim he can get more support from All the pats fans. I support the team and Tim Tebow. I've been a supporter of both for years.

So, since you are a Patriots fan, what is your take on Julian Edelman's role this year?