Tebow, Blount, Edelman

[belichick010405]

So I was right - all with less than 60% completion percentage. Cool Andrew Luck too. By the by, Eli Manning has a career completion percentage of lower than 60%. How many SB has he won?

If you call 59.5% to 59.9% correct then good for you.

As for Andrew Luck - if he doesn't improve his completion rate, I would not be surprised if the Colts regress. I am glad that you think Luck is something special btw. Considering the division that they are in, they better do well.

 

[manxman2601]

If you call 59.5% to 59.9% correct then good for you.

As for Andrew Luck - if he doesn't improve his completion rate, I would not be surprised if the Colts regress. I am glad that you think Luck is something special btw. Considering the division that they are in, they better do well.

"no less than 60%".

Those were your words not mine.

As for Andrew Luck, you seem to be allowing for the fact that he might improve on that low completion percentage. If that's true for Luck, it might well be true for other QBs too. Just a thought.

 

[belichick010405]

"no less than 60%".

Those were your words not mine.

As for Andrew Luck, you seem to be allowing for the fact that he might improve on that low completion percentage. If that's true for Luck, it might well be true for other QBs too. Just a thought.

Yea, that is right. The standard that coaches want is 60% with 7 yards per pass attempt and if you don't know that then I don't know to tell you.

I know this. Tebow will never be that efficient. Thanks for playing.

 

[manxman2601]

Yea, that is right. The standard that coaches want is 60% with 7 yards per pass attempt and if you don't know that then I don't know to tell you.

I know this. Tebow will never be that efficient. Thanks for playing.

And neither will two time SB champ Eli Manning. You're welcome.

 

[belichick010405]

And neither will two time SB champ Eli Manning. You're welcome.

Eli Manning and the Giants did not make the playoffs last year. He regressed from a 61% completion rate and a 8.38 YPA en route to a Super Bowl win in 2011. His YPA (yards per attempt) was down a full yard in 2012 and his passing completion rate was down a full point.

Thanks for making my point and for playing. You're wrong.

 

[manxman2601]

Eli Manning and the Giants did not make the playoffs last year. He regressed from a 61% completion rate and a 8.38 YPA en route to a Super Bowl win in 2011. His YPA (yards per attempt) was down a full yard in 2012 and his passing completion rate was down a full point.

Thanks for making my point and for playing. You're wrong.

Career 58% completion percentage. No I'm not.

One other thing I've noted. QB's tend to start their career with a low completion percentage and as they become more experienced, their completion percentage tends to get better. What a strange notion? Maybe we should have written them all off before their career got started.

 

[belichick010405]

Career 58% completion percentage. No I'm not.

One other thing I've noted. QB's tend to start their career with a low completion percentage and as they become more experienced, their completion percentage tends to get better. What a strange notion? Maybe we should have written them all off before their career got started.

Ok - you're not wrong. :bricks:

 

[Brady6]

There certainly are anamolies to that 60% number. From last year, Matthew Stafford, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco (didn't he win something?) and Jay Cutler to name but four. Cut them all!!!

Edit: Sam Bradford too to name but five....And Ryan Tannehill

I think any logical football fan would expect a NFL QB to complete at least half his passes. Just sayin.

 

[jmt57]

it's sad that some people who claim to support the team don't support all the players on the team. It seems contradictory to me. I agree with you Ironman.

On the flip side there are also some people here on a website called PatsFans who appear to be only a fan of one particular player, don't seem to be a fan of the team itself, don't seem to support the team in any way, don't even have any interest in the rest of the team, and may even have difficulty naming five other players on the roster without the aid of an internet search.


Some might find that to be contradictory or sad as well.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Well this once interesting off-season topic thread has gone to Hell


Thanks again Ian for the Thread Ignore feature!

 

[Brady6]

Career 58% completion percentage. No I'm not.

One other thing I've noted. QB's tend to start their career with a low completion percentage and as they become more experienced, their completion percentage tends to get better. What a strange notion? Maybe we should have written them all off before their career got started.

That's still more than 10% higher than Tebows. If a QB throws 500 times in a season that's 50 more completions. Do you know how important 50 completions are?

 

[manxman2601]

I think any logical football fan would expect a NFL QB to complete at least half his passes. Just sayin.

I'm sure they would. I'm sure they'd like their QB to lead to them to the playoffs too...oh wait.

 

[belichick010405]

I'm sure they would. I'm sure they'd like their QB to lead to them to the playoffs too...oh wait.

I'm sure that the rest of the Broncos roster would say that they had something to do with the Broncos success before Tebow's inefficiency held back that squad from going further in the playoffs as well when they were destroyed by the Patriots, which was the last time Tebow was a starting quarterback.

 

[manxman2601]

That's still more than 10% higher than Tebows. If a QB throws 500 times in a season that's 50 more completions. Do you know how important 50 completions are?

OK. Now we're playing.

Alex Smith completion percentage last year - 70.2%

That's 10% more than...well I've already mentioned them.

This completion percentage argument in isolation is ridiculous because I'd like to be confident that Charlie Batch is not better than Brady, that Christian Ponder and Ryan Fitzpatrick are not better than Eli Manning or Joe Flacco and that Alex Smith is not better than Joe Montana.

 

[belichick010405]

OK. Now we're playing.

Alex Smith completion percentage last year - 70.2%

That's 10% more than...well I've already mentioned them.

This completion percentage argument in isolation is ridiculous because I'd like to be confident that Charlie Batch is not better than Brady, that Christian Ponder and Ryan Fitzpatrick are not better than Eli Manning or Joe Flacco and that Alex Smith is not better than Joe Montana.

You are showing your true colors in this thread.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm sure that the rest of the Broncos roster would say that they had something to do with the Broncos success before Tebow's inefficiency held back that squad from going further in the playoffs as well when they were destroyed by the Patriots, which was the last time Tebow was a starting quarterback.

I have to admire your logical inconsistencies. So you are arguing:

1. That the team rather than Tebow got the team to the playoffs. The team that was 1-4 pre Tebow* btw

but that

2. Tebow and not the team lost them that playoff game.

I really do admire you for your prejudice


* that was a guess at the actual pre-Tebow record.

 

[Brady6]

I'm sure they would. I'm sure they'd like their QB to lead to them to the playoffs too...oh wait.

See that's where we disagree, you all give Tebow all the credit for their 8-8 record.

In the second half of the season the Broncos won because of,

1. McGahee became the starting RB after a season ending injury to Moreno.
2. Brandon Lloyd was traded, not only removing a looker room cancer but also clearing the way for Thomas and Decker.
3. Dumervil returned in week 3 after missing the entire 2010 season due to injury. He had 9.5 sacks that year all in the second half of the season aka Tebow time.
4. Von Miller exploded in the second half of his rookie season.
5. DJ Williams also returned from injury after missing most of the first half with a shoulder injury.
6. It was Fox's first season as coach, to be expected it took a bit for the players to adjust to him, especially the defensive scheme switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3.

Tebow may of helped but not the way some of you make it out to be.

 

[belichick010405]

I have to admire your logical inconsistencies. So you are arguing:

1. That the team rather than Tebow got the team to the playoffs. The team that was 1-4 pre Tebow* btw

but that

2. Tebow and not the team lost them that playoff game.

I really do admire you for your prejudice


* that was a guess at the actual pre-Tebow record.

Yep - You got me. Tebow was the reason why the Broncos finished the year 8-8 and I am sure that Tebow going 9-26 had nothing to do with the Patriots blowing out that team and into oblivion.

 

[manxman2601]

You are showing your true colors in this thread.

And those would be?

I know the true answer but love to know what you think. If your answer is:

a)Red, White and Blue

or

B) Someone who thinks that Tebow is an interesting addition at the end of the roster, is a person I'd like to see succeed and is a person worth admiring.

Then you'd be right. Anything else and you'd be wrong.

 

[belichick010405]

And those would be?

I know the true answer but love to know what you think. If your answer is:

a)Red, White and Blue

or

B) Someone who thinks that Tebow is an interesting addition at the end of the roster, is a person I'd like to see succeed and is a person worth admiring.

Then you'd be right. Anything else and you'd be wrong.

I didn't know that you knew Tebow. Please admire him. We enjoy comedy from time to time.