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  1. patfanken

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    I think that whatever we end up seeing will be a lot more "fluid" than "standard" alignments.

    Like I said in a previous post we should start to get away from defining players from strict position definitions like who is a FS vs a SS, even to the point where CB's will play all over the field, and it gets even worse at LB and edge players. Is a guy like Winovich a DE or OLB, same goes for Rivers and the rest of the guys playing out there.

    Trying to define what's happening in this defense would be exhausting if we had to limit ourselves to those preconceived position descriptions.

    Looks to me like BB is taking the NEXT step in the evolution of defenses to combat the high powered passing attacks under the current rules of engagement. In an age where 70% completion rates are becoming the norm defenses HAD to change something, and like we've seen many times over the last 20 years, the Pats will lead the way.
     
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    Well stated, I agree that it’s likely they won’t be the same 2 gap style 3-4 defense as they were years ago

    A 1 gap attacking 3-4 isn’t really all that different than a 4-3

    The chargers ran a 3-4 defense awhile back and had Shawn Merriman “blitzing” on like 95% of the snaps, so really it was much like a 4-3 with 1 DE standing up
     
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    I think he wants to take the Chung/hybrid role to the next level. Players like JoeJuan and Obi are physical models. Now they need to prove it on the field.
     
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    As long as Matt swifty Patricia is not running this defense, we will be mean aggressive and deadly
     
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    I only see a more “aggressive” 34 like Pittsburgh being possible if BB and Mayo trust the backer or backers who don’t blitz to be able to hold up in coverage in passing situations. If they can’t, you’re not going to see that. I’m also not convinced the team is going to take a DB (our true strength) off the field for a LB (a position with a lot of bodies that looks strong right now). IMO, they signed Pennell to better be able to defense the run out of the Nickel.
     
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    I believe based on the one preseason game, Calhoun is a DE who slides inside to play DT in certain passing situations.
     
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    Not just getting more LB's onto the field, but also the defensive backs. We'll continue to be in nickel and dime most of the time, especially on passing downs.

    I agree that this isn't going to be the standard 3-4 that we're used to seeing.
     
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    I want to be clear: I don't think this means the scheme is changing in any significant way, especially not back to the classic BB Patriots 3-4. It's definitely going to become a point of confusion for fans and media though.

    If nothing else, it's also trivially interesting that we're lining our guys up differently and could provide insight on roster battles. I think this development bodes well for Rivers and not so well for Butler. With Wise being approximately added to Butler's position group, there's one more DE/DT and one less OLB/DE. I think Rivers is the frontrunner for a spot at that position after Winovich and Simon. I consider Calhoun in the same tweener category as Wise. He's shown well, but his position is crowded.
     
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    Calhoun is 6-4 25o. DE maybe but I don't see as a DT
     
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    No. Because they aren’t.
     
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    Both were in the box multiple times
     
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    Safeties play in the box. That doesn’t make them linebackers.
     
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    That looks like a darn good defense. Has the looks of a top 5 defense in fact.

    Will be interesting to see how the playcalling will be divided. I could see BB calling most of the plays starting out. Then maybe have Mayo adjust into the role slowly.
     
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    They do more than that as well
     
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    The most enormous keys to a nickel base are
    1) a space eating DT and a second one who is at least ok
    2) a beast of a run defender at lb (Hightower)
    3) DEs who compete in the run game
    4) a safety who can come up and play the run
    IF you don’t have all of those you have the defense that faced the eagles in the Sb
     
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    Yeah they play safety. If you want to play ignorant to what a safety does, we should move on.
     
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    no defense faced the Eagles that day
     
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    Did Chung and Rodney have LB responsibilities? Big Nickel SS here has LB responsibilities and then some
     
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    Amen. While we may or may not see more 3-man fronts this season, I can't imagine it will be any kind of "return" to the Seymour-Wilfork-Warren style of 3-4.

    This defensive roster is bursting with versatile players in the 6'2"-6'3" 255 range, like Hightower, Collins, Van Noy, Bentley, and Winovich. That, more than any specific front, points to what I expect from this season's defense.
     
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