Steven Jackson!

[TommyD4207]

You know, I wouldn't mind him staying on as the HC when BB retires.

Now Josh can go. He gets faaaaar too cute, and his playcalling has been seriously suspect the past 2 years. Matt seems more in tune with Bill's philosophy.

You know the Patriots won the Super Bowl last year - put 28 on the best defense in the league in that game?

 

[Betterthanmost]

You know the Patriots won the Super Bowl last year - put 28 on the best defense in the league in that game?

Are you certain? Anyway, I hear the team just gave the 39 number to Jackson without telling Montee Ball anything, he came in and saw that he had number 31 in his locker. No discussion, nothing. That is cold. Hehehe.

 

[SomePatsFan13]

You know the Patriots won the Super Bowl last year - put 28 on the best defense in the league in that game?

Your point?

Brady did that.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

You know the Patriots won the Super Bowl last year - put 28 on the best defense in the league in that game?

I bet he didn't complain about the "cuteness" of his play calls when they brought us back last year in the playoffs against the Ravens.

 

[TommyD4207]

Your point?

Brady did that.

So why have a coaching staff at all, according to you then?

Vereen didn't have 11 catches, and they didn't throw 50 times "just 'cuz".

That's gameplan. That's Josh McDaniels. That's his job.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

Your point?

Brady did that.

Just like Brady called for the double pass and unbalanced formations against the Ravens? Or was that "too cute" for you too?

 

[SomePatsFan13]

I bet he didn't complain about the "cuteness" of his play calls when they brought us back last year in the playoffs against the Ravens.

Again, that's the greatness of the players more than it is the freaking playcalling!

One could argue the playcalling was the reason for those 14 point deficits, as I certainly had some complaints.

Players win the games. Why is this even being argued against? This is a fact.

Brady being an all-world once in a generation type player is what brought us back. Edelman being a beast and a decent QB and Amendola making a heck of a catch is why we won that game.

What you guys are telling me is that we can just plug and play with whoever and that's just not the case, I'm sorry but it's not.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as his quarterback. Name another coach that could do that.

Todd Haley got 10 wins out of a lesser Cassel-led team 2 seasons later.

And I believe the Chiefs tanked their last game of the season in 2010 against the Raiders. Could have gone 11-5.

 

[VrabelJr]

This thread got weeeeeeeird

 

[TommyD4207]

Again, that's the greatness of the players more than it is the freaking playcalling!

One could argue the playcalling was the reason for those 14 point deficits, as I certainly had some complaints.

Players win the games. Why is this even being argued against? This is a fact.

Brady being an all-world once in a generation type player is what brought us back. Edelman being a beast and a decent QB and Amendola making a heck of a catch is why we won that game.

What you guys are telling me is that we can just plug and play with whoever and that's just not the case, I'm sorry but it's not.

So now Josh McDaniels is responsible for Rob Ninkovich being out of position, or getting manhandled by some scrub?

Also, nobody in this thread is saying that. It's ridiculous that you refuse to give Josh McDaniels any credit. He's an innovator in a game where those are few and far between.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

Again, that's the greatness of the players more than it is the freaking playcalling!

One could argue the playcalling was the reason for those 14 point deficits, as I certainly had some complaints.

Players win the games. Why is this even being argued against? This is a fact.

Brady being an all-world once in a generation type player is what brought us back. Edelman being a beast and a decent QB and Amendola making a heck of a catch is why we won that game.

What you guys are telling me is that we can just plug and play with whoever and that's just not the case, I'm sorry but it's not.

So essentially...... Good things happen= players responsible. Bad things happen= josh mcdaniels responsible?

 

[SomePatsFan13]

So now Josh McDaniels is responsible for Rob Ninkovich being out of position, or getting manhandled by some scrub?

Also, nobody in this thread is saying that. It's ridiculous that you refuse to give Josh McDaniels any credit. He's an innovator in a game where those are few and far between.

You see that's your problem.

You decided to jump into a conversation with the sole intent of jumping down my throat so you missed what I actually said.

I did give Josh credit. I just said I personally didn't like his playcalling sometimes, that he, far too often, runs when he should pass and vice versa, and his latest trend of not being aggressive is troublesome, considering our personnel or lack thereof.

I'm only putting my opinion out there. I'm not calling for his job or anything like that. Hell, I also criticized Brady in this same thread. I hold everyone's feet to the fire on this team because I expect for us to go out there and dominate, not give the Eagles second life (how was the playcalling in that game? Was it good to you?).

 

[SomePatsFan13]

So essentially...... Good things happen= players responsible. Bad things happen= josh mcdaniels responsible?

I know you're trolling but, yes pretty much.

Not necessarily on Josh because the defense has to go out there and play too. Everyone has blame to take on losses, but in wins, players are the ones making the throws and the catches and breaking tackles and shaking fools out of their pocket money and picking the balls off in the super bowl.

Guys step up and win those games. You can take this same coaching staff and give it to Tennessee and they're not winning 12 out of 14 games with the kinds of injuries we had. I really don't care what you think, it's just not about to happen.

Coaches will always take the lionshare of the blame in losses, because they didn't put the team in the best position to win. That's not to say the opposite doesn't happen, but bear with me.

I think our coaching staff is outstanding but I just don't like the playcalling on offense sometimes.

That's all.

 

[Betterthanmost]

You all should move the play calling/Josh stuff to private conversations. Argue till next year.
Do you have anything to contribute on Steven Jackson?I dare you to say what again.

 

[jimnance]

Nah I'll have to disagree.

Jonas Gray was not a JAG (and while I have you here, what does JAG mean? I've been lurking here for the past two years and I never knew what the anagram was for, I just know it means a bum). I reeaaaallly would appreciate it if our fanbase could stop pretending like once a player leaves our team they're all of a sudden the most terrible player to ever play the position. It's annoying and low class.

Anyway, as I was saying, Gray was a very good player. He's everything Blount is, but better in my opinion because he hits holes faster, has better balance and ALWAYS falls forwards. He had a better game vs the same Colts team so why is everyone so hard on Gray again, but not Blount? That's homerism as far as I'm concerned.

And you're actually arguing my point about Williams-- he was barely here. He needs an opportunity to do something and a gimmie game is exactly how you do it. Practice is not full speed, or against a scheme you don't see coming from a mile away. You gauge a guy by how he performs in a real situation.

Think about it-- this is almost exactly Tom Brady's story. Brady hadn't proved himself in practice so he didn't start but he had an opportunity when Bledsoe went down. I'm just saying I think we should have seen what Williams could bring to an actual game.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

I know you're trolling but, yes pretty much.

Not necessarily on Josh because the defense has to go out there and play too. Everyone has blame to take on losses, but in wins, players are the ones making the throws and the catches and breaking tackles and shaking fools out of their pocket money and picking the balls off in the super bowl.

Guys step up and win those games. You can take this same coaching staff and give it to Tennessee and they're not winning 12 out of 14 games with the kinds of injuries we had. I really don't care what you think, it's just not about to happen.

Coaches will always take the lionshare of the blame in losses, because they didn't put the team in the best position to win. That's not to say the opposite doesn't happen, but bear with me.

I think our coaching staff is outstanding but I just don't like the playcalling on offense sometimes.

That's all.

I'm not trying to antagonize you or anything but look at your second paragraph. You don't think coaching is a large part in our success over coming injuries? It's obviously a two way street, but the reason our players step up and win those games is because they are extremely well prepared to fill in. And the extremely effective manner in which they prepare comes from coaching. I don't see why it has to be one or the other to give credit to.

 

[SomePatsFan13]

You all should move the play calling/Josh stuff to private conversations. Argue till next year.
Do you have anything to contribute on Steven Jackson?I dare you to say what again.

Do they speak English in What?

Lol but I agree. I apologize for my part in derailing the thread here. Hate when that happens.

 

[jimnance]

Nah I'll have to disagree.

.. Practice is not full speed, or against a scheme you don't see coming from a mile away. You gauge a guy by how he performs in a real situation.

Think about it-- this is almost exactly Tom Brady's story. Brady hadn't proved himself in practice so he didn't start but he had an opportunity when Bledsoe went down. I'm just saying I think we should have seen what Williams could bring to an actual game.

The above statements are not only untrue, but show a an incredible lack of knowledge of both Patriot's history and how BB runs this team. The Patriots( and all 32 nfl teams) ABSOLUTELY gauge players by how they practice, among other things. How did Malcolm Butler get put in the position to win the SB? Because of PRACTICE. Because time and again, week after week,in practice-not games, starting in 2014 otas, thru training camp, preseason and reg. season, he was the best db on the team, including revis.(this was according to revis himself). he picked off brady far more than anyone else. he barely played in the regular season but bb put him in there in the SB for major minutes because he proved himself in practice. and you are dead wrong about Tom Brady,s story. contrary to what you wrote, Brady DID prove himself in camp and practice-bb and many other Pats players and coaches have said that heading into the reg. season brady was cleraly the best qb on the team- he had badly outplayed bledsoe in camp aand preseason. bb wanted to just give him a little more seasoning. Do you really think any nfl coach is just going to randomly throw a guy into a game w/o him having proved himself in practice?

 

[BTTA]

with his O-Line basically playing like a Division 3 line

Our line has been really poor for a few years now. ... It's like they don't have any fire, or they don't feel disrespected....And yeah I don't think Williams was given a fair shake. I was in the camp calling out Bill for putting Gray in the doghouse, so you see where I stand on these kinds of issues.

The Pats line has not been one of the worst in the NFL, this year or in the recent past.

None of us on this Board have a clue about what Williams did and didn't show the coaching staff that caused his audition to be so short. All we know is that is was so bad, or so lacking in something, that the coaching staff decided it wasn't even worth giving him a shot in a game. That says a lot; we just don't know what it says.

And the idea that a professional football team, or some part of it, would be motivated to win on a consistent level because of "being disrespected" is absurd. That's the mind of a 15 year old (developmentally). Consistent winning is about creating excellence without any attention whatsoever to what people outside of your own team think. "Respect" psychology is about giving away your power to other people, because it starts with what other people think about you. It is in essence a massive distraction from the focus and discipline required for professional mastery. Nothing could be farther from the Patriots locker room.

 

[n1997y]

This thread got weeeeeeeird

you find it weird that a thread about Steven Jackson somehow morphed into a discussion of whether Todd Haley's Chiefs tanked their last game of the season a few years ago to end up 10-6 instead of 11-5, thus keeping Matt Cassell from matching his Patriots season?

that's weird.