Stefon Diggs visiting Patriots

[Huckleberry1]

Incarnated bob, he is the father of both of them

Yep. Dakota nailed that lawsuit. Really knows his stuff.

 

[Lansdowne]

I dont think sanders goes 2. I expect he will be close to round 2 than pick 2.

I’m starting to get that feeling too. I can see him sliding down to the Steelers’ pick at 21. It could be like 2007 when Brady Quinn slid to 22 after originally thought to be the 1st overall pick until he got outdueled by JaMarcus Russell in the Sugar Bowl that year. What people should remember is that the Browns and Giants also have picks in the early 2nd round as well (33 and 34) and that is right in the territory where they can grab the second tier of QB prospects like Milroe and Dart or even Shough if his stock is indeed rising.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Campbell probably not but Warren will be I would think. Some people have Kelvin Banks as the top ranked LT, I do not share that view but several "experts" think he is. So they could grab Banks or Simmons and then use 38 and 77 to move up for Higgins if they want that big body X that can also play slot.

They could also potentially draft at 11, use 38 and 77 to trade (around 24) into the first and then use43 and 69 to move into the first again (25 or so).

3 1sts could potentially be Simmons/Banks, Higgins/Golden and Stud DT/Hampton/another OT like Conerly and solid OG.

I know probably unrealistic. I don't think they make that trade down with SF

I wouldn’t trade out of 4 for anything less than a 2nd. Preferably Chicago’s 10 for the 41, which is the deal Silkema made in his mock the other day, that 41 gives them the capital to move back into the middle of the 1st round.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Is this report legit?
Said Diggs wants 25 mill and the Patriots offered 20
no way this is real right?

Stefon Diggs Disses Patriots Over 5 Million Dollars

Stefon Diggs’ flirtation with the Patriots is officially done as of Friday morning, leaving New England’s offense in…

fanrumor.com

If it comes from FanRumor.Com it’s definitely legit. Nothing has more cache than fan rumors.

 

[Username]

If it comes from FanRumor.Com it’s definitely legit. Nothing has more cache than fan rumors.

And so well written, with stringent quality control and fact checking

"Douglas and Pop Douglas aren't scaring anyone...."

 

[Huckleberry1]

25m is very close to the 22.5m he was getting from Houston...

a long as the knee/rehab schedule checks out, I would have zero qualms about 25m a year for him...

and in all honesty, i'd rather fork over a few extra dollars for diggs

Its the better alternative compared to giving up a draft pick and paying aiyuk's bloated contract

I think 25 is way too much for Diggs. That’s prime of career money, not 32, coming off an ACL, on a 1-2 year deal $$$. Kupp got 15, Diggs should get around 18.

 

[Steve102]

I’m terrified to draft a WR aside from Hunter at 4.
Any chance Dolphins take 4 for Jaylen Waddle?
At this point as crazy as that sounds might be our safest option.
Or 4 to Detroit for Jameson Williams?
Or Second to Cleveland Jerry Jeudy.

Tre Harris and Jayden Higgins are fine prospects.

 

[Pape]

I think 25 is way too much for Diggs. That’s prime of career money, not 32, coming off an ACL, on a 1-2 year deal $$$. Kupp got 15, Diggs should get around 18.

Prime of career money is now 34/35 million dollars, maybe higher... stop living in 2020

seriously, whats the difference between 18 and 25 million dollars? its peanuts really... mathematically, its 7 million dollars... hell we are eating nearly that much for Davon Godchaux this year...

The real difference between the two? Getting a deal done vs him signing elsewhere... If you want the player, pay the player... and shocker, we need wide receivers... the upside of Diggs far outweighs the extra dollars... and if it doesn't pan out, you eat a few dollars... so what? That's the cost of doing business.

 

[203Pat]

Prime of career money is now 34/35 million dollars, maybe higher... stop living in 2020

seriously, whats the difference between 18 and 25 million dollars? its peanuts really... mathematically, its 7 million dollars... hell we are eating nearly that much for Davon Godchaux this year...

The real difference between the two? Getting a deal done vs him signing elsewhere... If you want the player, pay the player... and shocker, we need wide receivers... the upside of Diggs far outweighs the extra dollars... and if it doesn't pan out, you eat a few dollars... so what? That's the cost of doing business.

We have the money to spend. I don't know if we "overpay" just get some talent in the building. I never understand why so many on this board are worried about saving Kraft money.

 

[Pape]

We have the money to spend. I don't know if we "overpay" just get some talent in the building. I never understand why so many on this board are worried about saving Kraft money.

its like we are in the midst of an austerity budget, fretting over every dollar spent...

I don't get it... ***** about paying players, and when we don't get them ***** about that... the circular logic is dizzying...

 

[maust]

Incarnated bob, he is the father of both of them

Incarcerated Bob, that's like the Randolph Scott of internet prognosticators

 

[RobertWeathers]

its like we are in the midst of an austerity budget, fretting over every dollar spent...

I don't get it... ***** about paying players, and when we don't get them ***** about that... the circular logic is dizzying...

I don't think what you are saying is happening.

You have some group of fans who are conditioned to support their team to pay market value for players and structure contracts so they are cap-friendly. That is a reasonable position to take as the cap is essentially a credit card and players have risk (especially ones coming off injury or bad years). The Harold Landry deal is like this.

You have some fans who don't give a **** what the team pays as long as they get the player. Sometimes this is OK. Sometimes it isn't. The Milton Williams deal is like this.

Seems you are claiming we have fans that don't want to spend any money? I'm not seeing that.

 

[maust]

Seems you are claiming we have fans that don't want to spend any money? I'm not seeing that.

I don't get how that fallacious reasoning keeps rising up when no one of consequence is saying the Pats shouldn't spend. Okay, I understand why some people say it. But when folks whose stuff is usually fairly solid promulgate it, I am at a loss. Is it because we're seeing it posted so often from a few of the **** stirrers that it's somehow become a thing to others?

The vast majority of folks seem to understand that cap dollars spent on a player who is questionable for one reason or another are cap dollars that aren't available to invest elsewhere. It's surprisingly refreshing to see a fair share of the fan base recognize the cap as a finite resource that needs to be treated that way. No one here honestly thinks the team needs to not spend so Kraft can keep it, it's nonsense. But nonsense that gets repeated enough can take on a life of its own.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't get how that fallacious reasoning keeps rising up when no one of consequence is saying the Pats shouldn't spend. Okay, I understand why some people say it. But when folks whose stuff is usually fairly solid promulgate it, I am at a loss. Is it because we're seeing it posted so often from a few of the **** stirrers that it's somehow become a thing to others?

The vast majority of folks seem to understand that cap dollars spent on a player who is questionable for one reason or another are cap dollars that aren't available to invest elsewhere. It's surprisingly refreshing to see a fair share of the fan base recognize the cap as a finite resource that needs to be treated that way. No one here honestly thinks the team needs to not spend so Kraft can keep it, it's nonsense. But nonsense that gets repeated enough can take on a life of its own.

For me, when throwing an opinion out there on a player and their contract, it really is all about the impact on the team's hard cap and weighing that cap commitment to the player's durability, availability, and performance history. Fans having the concern the team has financial flexibility to do things that are necessary to win consistently is totally reasonable.

Now, when it comes to the Celtics and Red Sox, I couldn't care less what they pay these players as long as they win, are entertaining, and the owners willingly pay the appropriate luxury taxes to keep the team in championship contention. As long as owners pay them, there are no financial or roster-related consequences for going over the cap.

If the NFL resorted to a luxury tax-type penalty for teams that go over the cap, then none of us should have a concern what Kraft pays players to come here. If Kraft doesn't want to pay it, then he is subject to criticism (see John Henry).

 

[Thunderhead]

Prime of career money is now 34/35 million dollars, maybe higher... stop living in 2020

seriously, whats the difference between 18 and 25 million dollars? its peanuts really... mathematically, its 7 million dollars... hell we are eating nearly that much for Davon Godchaux this year...

The real difference between the two? Getting a deal done vs him signing elsewhere... If you want the player, pay the player... and shocker, we need wide receivers... the upside of Diggs far outweighs the extra dollars... and if it doesn't pan out, you eat a few dollars... so what? That's the cost of doing business.

A large swathe of Pats fans are completely brainwashed when it comes to the cap and spending on players. Said it before on here: the cap is all but irrelevant with a moderately-savvy front office and an owner who is willing to spend year after year. But sure, let's ruin Drake Maye instead of "overpaying" slightly for talent.

 

[Thunderhead]

I don't think what you are saying is happening.

You have some group of fans who are conditioned to support their team to pay market value for players and structure contracts so they are cap-friendly. That is a reasonable position to take as the cap is essentially a credit card and players have risk (especially ones coming off injury or bad years). The Harold Landry deal is like this.

You have some fans who don't give a **** what the team pays as long as they get the player. Sometimes this is OK. Sometimes it isn't. The Milton Williams deal is like this.

Seems you are claiming we have fans that don't want to spend any money? I'm not seeing that.

The bolded is literally the EXACT issue. The Patriots are not in a place to acquire players for market value on cap-friendly deals. They are the equivalent of NFL-Siberia at the moment and will have to overpay to bring in talent (see: Milton Williams). How is this even still a discussion?

 

[RobertWeathers]

A large swathe of Pats fans are completely brainwashed when it comes to the cap and spending on players. Said it before on here: the cap is all but irrelevant with a moderately-savvy front office and an owner who is willing to spend year after year. But sure, let's ruin Drake Maye instead of "overpaying" slightly for talent.

The cap should never be an impediment to winning as long as the team a) drafts well, b) locks up productive, young players c) the cap increases and d) structures deals so future dead cap hits can be managed.

 

[Pape]

I don't think what you are saying is happening.

You have some group of fans who are conditioned to support their team to pay market value for players and structure contracts so they are cap-friendly. That is a reasonable position to take as the cap is essentially a credit card and players have risk (especially ones coming off injury or bad years). The Harold Landry deal is like this.

You have some fans who don't give a **** what the team pays as long as they get the player. Sometimes this is OK. Sometimes it isn't. The Milton Williams deal is like this.

Seems you are claiming we have fans that don't want to spend any money? I'm not seeing that.

It is happening. It occurs on a daily basis here. People are more worried about "overpaying" a player than they are wanting to actually secure their services.

They continually understate the current market value related to skill positions in order to make their arguments sound more reasonable. In this particular instance, I understand that paying Diggs $25m is a lot of money considering he is coming off of knee surgery. I get it. But I also know that we have not had a 1000 yard receiver since Julian Edelman was last here in 2019. We have been rebuffed by every single WR we have tried to bring in. Well, when fishing, sometimes you need the right lure in order to land the fish.

What you say makes sense regarding the use of cap dollars, about wanting fiscally prudent contracts, cap flexibility & the cap being a finite resource. Its perfectly reasonable. It makes sense in a vacuum... But what good is that flexibility if you never use it? What happens when that "what if" scenario never arrives? you get back to back 4 win seasons, thats what happens

The team does not spend other than what it is required to... The Patriots, for the last two years has been sitting on a pile of unspent cash/cap space that would have better served the Patriots by bringing in players to upgrade the roster... And yes, at times that means paying for talent or even overpaying for talent...

you do not get $121,000,000+ in cap space by spending money, paying players... In fact I think we overpaid our guys last year just to ensure we would not run afoul of the CBA mandated minimum spending threshold requirements... looking at free agency in 2025, we paid out a lot for guys this year, and we still have a league leading 80 million dollars + in cap space.

With 120,000,000 million in cap space available at the start of free agency, we should have had Miles Garrett playing in New England, not Milton Williams (no offense Milton, I'm sure you will do fine). When asked about New England, DK Metcalf should not been so quick to poo poo being here... we wanted Calvin Ridley badly last year and got outbid - by Tenneessee? We let Jakobi Meyers leave over a few million dollars?

How does that happen ? It happens when you stock pile your fiscal assets instead of actually using your financial flexibility

 

[yukon cornelius]

$25 mil for Diggs was pure conjecture......in fact, it was completely fabricated

multiple reports, however, said the the two sides had good meetings, and will revisit again in a month after he has more time to rehab

there's been zero other teams linked to Diggs

there is no market for Diggs right now......post draft, after another month of rehab/recovery, when teams have a better idea of needs headed into camp, and when there's a better idea of how far along Diggs is in his recovery, the market will develop......at that point we will have a better understanding of the Pats need at WR, they will have a better idea how Diggs & his knee can fit into that need, and they will discuss market terms......

 

[Huckleberry1]

Prime of career money is now 34/35 million dollars, maybe higher... stop living in 2020

seriously, whats the difference between 18 and 25 million dollars? its peanuts really... mathematically, its 7 million dollars... hell we are eating nearly that much for Davon Godchaux this year...

The real difference between the two? Getting a deal done vs him signing elsewhere... If you want the player, pay the player... and shocker, we need wide receivers... the upside of Diggs far outweighs the extra dollars... and if it doesn't pan out, you eat a few dollars... so what? That's the cost of doing business.

I wouldn’t pay him 25 million a year, and I doubt any team will come close to that. Desperation is a terrible way to run a team.