Squealers' Coach Tomlin Cheats to Prevent TD

[SB39]

I disagree with any punishment for the team. Tomlin should be banned for the rest of the season. Make an effective point with a suspension. The draft pick only hurts everyone else, including the paying customers.

No offense, but that's kinda idiotic. I am not 100% sold on it being deliberate but if it was, it not only cost Baltimore a TD, but is an egregiously dangerous situation. That right there is what I consider the most upsetting part - and I said the same thing about the Jets' special teams phalanx of a couple years ago.

Saying you can't punish the team because it punishes the fans is silly.

 

[SVN]

of course ryan clark has to take a shot at the pats

Rich Eisen ?@richeisen 1h
Steelers Ryan Clark on NFL's investigation of Tomlin's sideline two-step: "There will be no tapes to burn so it should be a speedy process."

 

[Koma]

of course ryan clark has to take a shot at the pats

I'm not a deep thinker like Clark, but wouldn't it take longer to review the evidence than simply destroy it?

 

[chasa]

It was wrong of Goodell to take away the Patriots first round pick. Taking away a Steelers pick isn't going to change that. It's just going to continue the error moving forward.

Its going to show consistency. Thats the first step to showing you are not screwing a team over. If you take a first round pick and fine the patriots BB 750k for ignoring a league memo, you need to fine the steelers and take a pick.

If you don't it shows favoritism towards the steelers.

Its not about correcting wrongs, its not about being fair, its about drawing a line in the sand and having the balls to stick to it. they need to lose at the very least their last pick in the upcoming draft.

 

[Deus Irae]

Its going to show consistency. Thats the first step to showing you are not screwing a team over. If you take a first round pick and fine the patriots BB 750k for ignoring a league memo, you need to fine the steelers and take a pick.

If you don't it shows favoritism towards the steelers.

Its not about correcting wrongs, its not about being fair, its about drawing a line in the sand and having the balls to stick to it. they need to lose at the very least their last pick in the upcoming draft.

Your argument is about screwing the next guy like you feel you got screwed. That's a really poor argument. If I were an ignorant U.S. voter, I might buy into it because: feelgood. Since I'm not, I won't.

Goodell screwed up when he disciplined the Patriots. Compounding the problem by screwing up this one isn't going to fix that. He needs to get it right now, and keep getting it right moving forward.

 

[chasa]

Your argument is about screwing the next guy like you feel you got screwed. That's a really poor argument. If I were an ignorant U.S. voter, I might buy into it because: feelgood. Since I'm not, I won't.

Goodell screwed up when he disciplined the Patriots. Compounding the problem by screwing up this one isn't going to fix that. He needs to get it right now, and keep getting it right moving forward.

That sets a bad precedent then.

If you punish one team one way, which is highly severe and they say "oops too severe, we are only going to punish this second team very gently" then you are leaving yourself open to criticism.

Its not about screwing the steelers, its about being CONSISTENT with punishments. the steelers coach did the same exact thing the patriots did, ignored a league wide memo saying "dont do this". The punishment has to be in the same ballpark as what the patriots got, i'm not saying take a first round pick from the steelers, but you have to take A PICK or else teams will just keep doing it, $100k means nothing to a coach who makes 5-7 million dollars a year. Hell there is no salary cap for coaches, so more then likely a billion dollar team owner will foot the bill. The only way you send a message is to dock a team a draft pick, or suspend the coach the way the league put Sean payton on ice for a year.

 

[groganbootleg]

New angle makes Tomlin?s misstep look less accidental | ProFootballTalk

"less accidental"???? thats an interesting way of putting it. It shows him intentionally stepping towards the field as Jones gets closer to him. The more video they find the worse it gets for him.

 

[Deus Irae]

That sets a bad precedent then.

It does just the opposite. It overrides a bad precedent.

If you punish one team one way, which is highly severe and they say "oops too severe, we are only going to punish this second team very gently" then you are leaving yourself open to criticism.

You leave yourself open to criticism when you compound the error, too. He left himself open to criticism when he screwed up the initial punishment. The follow up will get criticism no matter what.

Its not about screwing the steelers, its about being CONSISTENT with punishments. the steelers coach did the same exact thing the patriots did, ignored a league wide memo saying "dont do this". The punishment has to be in the same ballpark as what the patriots got, i'm not saying take a first round pick from the steelers, but you have to take A PICK or else teams will just keep doing it, $100k means nothing to a coach who makes 5-7 million dollars a year. Hell there is no salary cap for coaches, so more then likely a billion dollar team owner will foot the bill. The only way you send a message is to dock a team a draft pick, or suspend the coach the way the league put Sean payton on ice for a year.

Seems pretty clear that it's about screwing the Steelers in your eyes, using consistency as an excuse. Wanting the punishments to be consistently wrong is a really bizarre position.

 

[JMC00]

of course ryan clark has to take a shot at the pats

Yep it should be a speedy process because a camera caught him doing it.

 

[groganbootleg]

It does just the opposite. It overrides a bad precedent.

You leave yourself open to criticism when you compound the error, too. He left himself open to criticism when he screwed up the initial punishment. The follow up will get criticism no matter what.

Seems pretty clear that it's about screwing the Steelers in your eyes, using consistency as an excuse. Wanting the punishments to be consistently wrong is a really bizarre position.

No, the level of punishment for these types of transgressions has been set. If you wanted to make it right now and say that the Pats were over-penalized, then give them back the draft pick. That would make it right. Its not screwing the Steelers to apply the same level of punishment that another team received, its being consistent.

 

[SteelersCanada]

Equating what Tomlin did in the heat of the moment in a game in which they still lost and Jacoby was probably going to get caught by Cortez anyway to videotaping signals for what very well could have been 7 seasons is silly.

The Saints lost multiple second round picks in their "Bountygate" scandal. Now, it's debatable whether or not they would have lost a first round pick if they had one that year, but the logic still holds: does what Tomlin did warrant the loss of a first round pick over the intent to injure players?

The consistency argument is a poor one.

 

[Deus Irae]

No, the level of punishment for these types of transgressions has been set. If you wanted to make it right now and say that the Pats were over-penalized, then give them back the draft pick. That would make it right. Its not screwing the Steelers to apply the same level of punishment that another team received, its being consistent.

I'm not sure why some people are having a problem with understanding the concept of fixing a mistake without backdating.....

 

[JMC00]

videotaping signals for what very well could have been 7 seasons is silly.

Filming signals wasn't the rule the Patriots broke, it was from where they were doing it.

No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game...All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/sports/20080511_NFL_DOCUMENTS.pdf.

So what is stopping any home team from setting up a camera with a high zoom in a luxury box and filming signals?

 

[SteelersCanada]

Filming signals wasn't the rule the Patriots broke, it was from where they were doing it.



http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/sports/20080511_NFL_DOCUMENTS.pdf.

Isn't that like splitting hairs?

 

[robbomango]

Yep it should be a speedy process because a camera caught him doing it.

lol just noticed he moves his left foot in as the ref is coming toward him without looking, jumbotron Jedi...

 

[SVN]

That sets a bad precedent then.

If you punish one team one way, which is highly severe and they say "oops too severe, we are only going to punish this second team very gently" then you are leaving yourself open to criticism.

Its not about screwing the steelers, its about being CONSISTENT with punishments. the steelers coach did the same exact thing the patriots did, ignored a league wide memo saying "dont do this". The punishment has to be in the same ballpark as what the patriots got, i'm not saying take a first round pick from the steelers, but you have to take A PICK or else teams will just keep doing it, $100k means nothing to a coach who makes 5-7 million dollars a year. Hell there is no salary cap for coaches, so more then likely a billion dollar team owner will foot the bill. The only way you send a message is to dock a team a draft pick, or suspend the coach the way the league put Sean payton on ice for a year.

Two wrongs dont make it right. Hated the over punishment of the pats and would not make me feel better if they did the same to the steelers.

 

[Deus Irae]

Isn't that like splitting hairs?

No. Filming is legal.

 

[JMC00]

Isn't that like splitting hairs?

Typical "spygate" conspiracist response.

 

[Sticky Caulk]

Isn't that like splitting hairs?

No. It's like saying Belichick was shooting up children full of heroin when all he did was smoke a cigarette in the school parking lot after hours. It wasn't what he did. It's where he did it.

 

[RobAllan]

Isn't that like splitting hairs?

Not only that but the filming locations were legal during all their SB wins, so those aren't event tainted. Problem is fans like you don't know that...