Source: Aqib Talib wants top-of-the-market deal

[resdubwhite]

But there is a huge reason....

I don't want my team paying top dollar for a guy that can't suit up or stay on the field for the big games.

He needs a contract with incentives. He wants a deal similar to Grimes, and when he's healthy he's better, but Grimes played a whole season already with the Dolphins, something Talib never done with us, or in his career actually. He's got an occurring hip problem. That's not gonna go away.

Give him a salary around $6.5-7mil. Extra mil if he plays and finishes 10 games. If he completes a whole season add another extra million, and if he finishes the playoffs another million. If he plays a whole season he can make $10m in salary and incentives and that's not counting what he'll get for a signing bonus.

Good deal on paper for him, and a good deal for us knowing theirs almost no chance he plays a full season.

This is all based on media reports though

I think if Talib can stay on the field he'll get an bonus laden deal roughly at 8 per.
No team will pay him 30 million with huge guaranteed money given the injury history.

I say the team gets it done but with incentives.

 

[AzorianPats]

This is all based on media reports though

I think if Talib can stay on the field he'll get an bonus laden deal roughly at 8 per.
No team will pay him 30 million with huge guaranteed money given the injury history.

I say the team gets it done but with incentives.

I'm just basing it on the fact I do think an elite CB is worth $10 mil. And when he's healthy, he's elite, but he's never remained healthy.

But I think we are in complete agreement on all this.

 

[resdubwhite]

I'm just basing it on the fact I do think an elite CB is worth $10 mil. And when he's healthy, he's elite, but he's never remained healthy.

But I think we are in complete agreement on all this.

So do I. I think the rhetoric coming out of the original story is not to believed. Talib can't expect to be paid big money if he's banged up. Especially given the nature of his injuries and his suspension a couple of years back.

I say it gets done. Just creatively.

 

[varjao]

The problem with this approach of protection the franchise contract wise, is that doesn't solve the problem of his absence in the playoffs. When that happens, I don't care about the cap hit and neither BB I bet. I'm not saying that is definitely a pattern, but it has been so far.

It's in the end of regular season/playoffs that players get really banged up, due to the intense season they played. Any player can get a nasty injury in TC, or week 1, due to bad luck, but in december/january players are much more prone to muscular injuries, stress fractures, sprained ankles, shoulder, etc.. Then you get that scenario and a player with a chronic hip injury plus the cold weather and there's a high probability that this guy will not be playing at 100%. Well at this time of the season probably no one will, but Talib's level of playing was not really close to 60% after he got injured in week 6. Until the game against the Saints he was playing like a top of the market CB, then got sidelined and when he did come back he was a different player, much less effective. So it's not only the 3 games he missed you have to put on this equation.

You have a defense that strongly counts on him being effective, and then when he get down everything falls apart. With the scenario I put above, you can't really use his injuries as an excuse at the end of season, because it's something you have to be prepared for, but he's not a rookie with a cheap contract. He's a FA aiming top money, so how would be your insurance? You pay top money for a FA expecting him to be the man in that given position, in his case, CB.

The only way I want him back is with a cheaper contract, because in this case it's worth the risk, because when he's on the field he is a shutdown corner. But I don't see that happening. I think we better move on.

There is a simple economic concept called opportunity cost that, after have learned it, changed the way I look at investments. For those without an economic background I recommend take a look, it's really simple.

In this particular case, I think the opportunity cost of retaining Talib at 6+/year is too high. And he's definitely going to get more on the market.

 

[Nunchucks]

Not "mortgaging the future" = paying no dividends since 2004

Look, you are the one who said that the Patriots "not mortgaging the future" has not brought the Patriots to the SB. You did not define what that meant to you, I at least defined the term.

You then went on to disagree with my definition without offering an alternative...

You are the one who brought up the Steelers as a team that has tiwce won the Superbowl, I presume you meant by "mortgaging the future" but since you did not define the term, you must have meant something else, because the Steelers build through the draft and they got into cap trouble only after they won their last Superbowl and gave out big contract to players on their team.

So, your argument is based on assumptions built on no actually substance. Unless you are willing or maybe courageous enough to define what "mortgaging the future" means to you, your argument lacks substance and is only at the "meh" level of name calling and "because I said so" style.

 

[Patriot Missile]

My worst fear is they pay this guy and he continues with the injuries. I don't fault the Patriots with the Hernandez signing because I was happy when they locked him up. But another bad big money deal would be crippling to the cap IMO.

It was so disappointing to see him bow out so to speak in the two biggest games of his career. Yeah I'm sure he was hurt but it's not anything like Gronkowski in the least. He broke a bone and had his knee blown up. Probably being unfair on my part I guess.

 

[PatsFan2]

I would pay Revis 16Mill a year before I pay Talib 10...settling on Tailb's terms would be penny wise and pound foolish. His hip is questionable you cannot commit alot of guranteed money already knowing that. Hey when he's healthy Tailb's a Top CB but we have seen he's not always healthy.

 

[Kontradiction]

My worst fear is they pay this guy and he continues with the injuries. I don't fault the Patriots with the Hernandez signing because I was happy when they locked him up. But another bad big money deal would be crippling to the cap IMO.

It was so disappointing to see him bow out so to speak in the two biggest games of his career. Yeah I'm sure he was hurt but it's not anything like Gronkowski in the least. He broke a bone and had his knee blown up. Probably being unfair on my part I guess.

Well, the injuries are definitely going to come into play with this one. That's why the report mentioned guaranteed money as a potential sticking point in negotiations. I would tend to agree with that. I'm unsure myself how much guaranteed money I would want the team to give the guy. The hip has been a problem and, further, it certainly looked like he could have came back into the game in Denver and didn't. Now, I'm not Talib. I don't know how much pain he was really in but I can attempt to guage it by the fact that he ran out of the end zone after going to the locker room and it looked like Dennard was trying to urge him to come back in. A hobbled Talib would have been a better option than Logan Ryan and Kyle Arrington on the outside.

 

[TomNGisele]

The funny thing is, it sounds like the Pats could convert Revis' contract into a more affordable contract than what Talib may be seeking in terms of the cap numbers....

I'm all for that. Go get him Billy

 

[mgteich]

Talib has played his "show me" year. He now will cash in and likely get more guaranteed money than the patriots are willing to pay. Somehow, I think that the situation is that simple.

This is Talib's time. It is that simple. He will get less than he and his agent are asking for, as is the case for everyone.

Belichick may pony up the guaranteed money, or not. In any case, there will be many posters criticizing Belichick and the front office.

And just BTW, the total value of the contract is all but irrelevant. It is the guaranteed money that counts.

Well, the injuries are definitely going to come into play with this one. That's why the report mentioned guaranteed money as a potential sticking point in negotiations. I would tend to agree with that. I'm unsure myself how much guaranteed money I would want the team to give the guy. The hip has been a problem and, further, it certainly looked like he could have came back into the game in Denver and didn't. Now, I'm not Talib. I don't know how much pain he was really in but I can attempt to guage it by the fact that he ran out of the end zone after going to the locker room and it looked like Dennard was trying to urge him to come back in. A hobbled Talib would have been a better option than Logan Ryan and Kyle Arrington on the outside.

 

[juny]

there a lot of teams with cap space above $20M, i think talib will get an offer he can't refuse and its up the pats to think about whether or not they want to match or move on to another CB.

 

[Sicilian]

Talib has played his "show me" year. He now will cash in and likely get more guaranteed money than the patriots are willing to pay. Somehow, I think that the situation is that simple.

This is Talib's time. It is that simple. He will get less than he and his agent are asking for, as is the case for everyone.

Belichick may pony up the guaranteed money, or not. In any case, there will be many posters criticizing Belichick and the front office.

And just BTW, the total value of the contract is all but irrelevant. It is the guaranteed money that counts.

The interesting thing is that in his "show me" year, he pretty much showed exactly what he did the year before. He is a great corner when he's on the field, but his hip continues to be an issue and he was knocked out of the AFCCG. The only thing he improved on were his off the field behavior.

He'll get his money because you're right, someone will pay for him now, but he didn't show anything in 2013 that we didn't already know about him when he only got 1 year at $5.5m.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

How hard is it to work things into contract like extra 1.5m for paying all 16 games ect. But i bet he would t take that because he knows he cant play 16

 

[Kontradiction]

Talib has played his "show me" year. He now will cash in and likely get more guaranteed money than the patriots are willing to pay. Somehow, I think that the situation is that simple.

This is Talib's time. It is that simple. He will get less than he and his agent are asking for, as is the case for everyone.

Belichick may pony up the guaranteed money, or not. In any case, there will be many posters criticizing Belichick and the front office.

And just BTW, the total value of the contract is all but irrelevant. It is the guaranteed money that counts.

If Talib leaves, posters won't criticize Belichick if he fills that position with another capable body like Shields, Davis, Verner, etc. and uses the savings from going from Talib to one of those guys to fill another position of need (such as SS or DE). When that happens, it's hard to criticize the front office. When it doesn't happen, like with the safety situation (or should I say trainwreck) in 2011 or Seymour in 2009 and 2010, it's very easy to do so.

 

[TomNGisele]

Because in all likelihood they won't replace Talib w anyone near his level or significantly upgrade another position.

 

[JackBauer]

Because in all likelihood they won't replace Talib w anyone near his level or significantly upgrade another position.

That's not all that likely, at all.

 

[TomNGisele]

That's not all that likely, at all.

Hope you're right, but I don't see where the pats will go out and add significant free agents.. When's the last time?

 

[Marqui]

That's not all that likely, at all.

Actually it is, Shields, Davis, and Verner are all significantly worse corners than Talib in straight up man-to-man coverage.

 

[Kontradiction]

Actually it is, Shields, Davis, and Verner are all significantly worse corners than Talib in straight up man-to-man coverage.

Significantly? Are you sure about that?

 

[JackBauer]

Actually it is, Shields, Davis, and Verner are all significantly worse corners than Talib in straight up man-to-man coverage.

Aside from being wrong on this point, you may want to go back and read his post again.