So how do you grade this year’s draft?

[upstater1]

And Tyreek hill wasn’t a FA this year, so they could’ve kept him. Realistically any team could be any singular player if they wanted

Right... but he threatened a holdout.

And they didn't have the cap to keep him.

After the #s blew up in free agency, Hill demanded an increase.

The Chiefs are going to hurt without this guy, he was almost as important as Mahomes to that offense

 

[upstater1]

That’s why you tie in the totality of everything, how many SB wins do they have if they are a WC team and need to go on the road? Or play half those Afc Champ games on the road? Having the luxury to win 12+ games every year in their sleep is because of the quarterback. Which is why going on a game by game basis makes no sense Imo

No, not because of the QB. Wrong

 

[Wozzy]

With your line of thinking I guess Kraft is responsible for everything as he hired BB

Bob is. But football isn’t his business. If Harvard offered a masters course on football history or strategy the professor would be BB.

You anti-BB guys are ridiculous, not because you resent him but you have to take ridiculous leaps in logic like football, a sport with 63 man rosters and 11 men on the field in three different phases, isn’t a team sport… or one superhero unicorn is the sole reason for winning. Laughable.

 

[Wozzy]

And Tyreek hill wasn’t a FA this year, so they could’ve kept him. Realistically any team could be any singular player if they wanted

The "cap doesn't exist" crowd are as loony as the Brady zealots.

Tyreek signed a 4 year $120,000,000 contract... but that has nothing to do with it.

It's about feelings.

 

[All3Phases]

Right... but he threatened a holdout.

And they didn't have the cap to keep him.

After the #s blew up in free agency, Hill demanded an increase.

The Chiefs are going to hurt without this guy, he was almost as important as Mahomes to that offense

Again, you keep pushing the goalposts here. The Chiefs couldn’t create Cap space to keep Tyreek? Just like the patriots would’ve needed to create cap space to keep JC. And hill I’m sure will effect their team, just like JC being gone will effect the patriots

 

[All3Phases]

The "cap doesn't exist" crowd are as loony as the Brady zealots.

Tyreek signed a 4 year $120,000,000 contract... but that has nothing to do with it.

It's about feelings.

Not sure why this is directed at me?

 

[Wozzy]

Not sure why this is directed at me?

I was agreeing with you.

 

[All3Phases]

No, not because of the QB. Wrong

Not him alone obviously, but having a legendary player at qb makes life a hell of a lot easier doesn’t it? I mean if it didn’t then why can’t they have a fraction of that success after 9 years? They’re still building the team the same way right?

 

[All3Phases]

In 2020

I was agreeing with you.

My b my b

 

[Boomer B]

You anti-BB guys are ridiculous, not because you resent him but you have to take ridiculous leaps in logic like football, a sport with 63 man rosters and 11 men on the field in three different phases, isn’t a team sport… or one superhero unicorn is the sole reason for winning. Laughable.

Maybe read the posts and comprehend them. I’m not anti-BB at all. I called him the best coach of this era in this thread. I also said that many people played a big role in the Dynasty: coaches, players, and ownership. It is of my opinion though that Brady was the most important piece of the puzzle.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Why can’t we just agree that we had the greatest qb and
coach of all time for 20 years which created the GOAT of all Dynasties and leave it at that?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Once again laughable. Brady threw 4 TDs and engineered a 10pt 4th qtr comeback against the best D of that era. He got game MVP, yet for you all the credit goes to Bill (it was actually Ernie Adams who scouted that pick play the Seahawks ran near the goal line). In the last SB they never get there if Brady doesn't play a historic game in KC.

What really makes me laugh about you is that when those games happened and while Brady was here you couldn't give enough praise to him. Now that he's gone it's all on Bill. You're a fraud.

I'm a Brady guy, but he played pretty poorly putting his D in bad positions which got them into the 24-14 hole against the Seahawks. You have to give credit to the D for holding on and allowing Tom to finally wake up. If the D allowed one more score, it's probably over.

However, the D came one yard short of losing the game for a 3rd straight last drive by the offense which would've been a disaster for the Pats. Bill gets credit for recovering from allowing the Seahawks to simply walk down the field and then knowing the Seahawks patterns at the goal line. Having said that, nobody cares what the Coach knows if the player doesn't execute the play like Butler finally did after getting beat every time in practice. For example, there's video in 2006 of Marty Schottenheimer telling his DB's to fall on the ground if they intercept Brady late. They didn't and Marty gets the blame and fired.

Bill's D cracked in 2018 and doesn't get the opportunity to shut down the Rams without Brady's big game. On the other hand, I could point out plenty of games Tom was terrible and either lost or got bailed out by the D/someone else on offense.

 

[rochrist]

I'm a Brady guy, but he played pretty poorly putting his D in bad positions which got them into the 24-14 hole against the Seahawks. You have to give credit to the D for holding on and allowing Tom to finally wake up. If the D allowed one more score, it's probably over.

However, the D came one yard short of losing the game for a 3rd straight last drive by the offense which would've been a disaster for the Pats. Bill gets credit for recovering from allowing the Seahawks to simply walk down the field and then knowing the Seahawks patterns at the goal line. Having said that, nobody cares what the Coach knows if the player doesn't execute the play like Butler finally did after getting beat every time in practice. For example, there's video in 2006 of Marty Schottenheimer telling his DB's to fall on the ground if they intercept Brady late. They didn't and Marty gets the blame and fired.

Keep in mind that the Seahawks only succeeded in 'walking down the field' by dint of the flukey of fluke catches.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Keep in mind that the Seahawks only succeeded in 'walking down the field' by dint of the flukey of fluke catches.

That was one play which didn't get them to the 1 yard line.

Lynch catches a pass out of the backfield with no resistance rumbling for 31 yards on the first play. That was unacceptable and now at the NE 49 yard line.

Lockette catches a 11 yard pass on 3rd and 10.

Kearse with the 33 yard catch.

Lynch runs to the 1 yard line with one minute left.

It took them one minute to drive 79 yards.

 

[Wozzy]

Maybe read the posts and comprehend them. I’m not anti-BB at all. I called him the best coach of this era in this thread. I also said that many people played a big role in the Dynasty: coaches, players, and ownership. It is of my opinion though that Brady was the most important piece of the puzzle.

Drew Brees led the NFL in passing in 2016, had the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league but his team had the 32nd worst defense... they went 9-7.

Deshaun Watson led the league in passing in 2020, had the best stats of his career, but the 30th ranked defense... they won 4 games.

QB obsessives are insistent we know the QB position is the most important... okay, so what?

I'd put their value at around 15-20% or less in the big picture.

Still the most important player, but you can't win without the other 80-85%... so?

Brady's the smartest guy in the room, he went to Tampa because he could win. He knew how good the weapons were, he knew how talented the defense was. Kevin Durant went to Golden State because he could win. Lebron assembled his friends and took his talents to south beach. Turning a team/organization/billion dollar company around for a GM/Coach is the equivalent of turning an oil taker. Comparing the two is silly.

The Pat's O-Line, Defense and Special Teams were tops in the league for two decades... suggesting that was because of Brady is insulting to every player who contributed to those wins. It's the ultimate team sport.

 

[upstater1]

Again, you keep pushing the goalposts here. The Chiefs couldn’t create Cap space to keep Tyreek? Just like the patriots would’ve needed to create cap space to keep JC. And hill I’m sure will effect their team, just like JC being gone will effect the patriots

If they could have, they would have. No way they let him go.

They are much worse for it. And he is totally worth the money.

As for JC, no the Patriots did not need to create cap space.

He counts for $8m under the cap this year. When he signed, the Patriots had more than enough space.

 

[All3Phases]

If they could have, they would have. No way they let him go.

They are much worse for it. And he is totally worth the money.

As for JC, no the Patriots did not need to create cap space.

He counts for $8m under the cap this year. When he signed, the Patriots had more than enough space.

You are simply just contradicting yourself with each line. The chiefs couldn’t create cap space, if they could they would’ve…so you’re essentially saying the patriots didn’t want JC on the roster? They had 10 mil in space before FA, he accounts for 80% of that. Unless they didn’t want anybody else added then they could’ve afforded him

Also what’s Tyreeks cap number this year?

 

[Wozzy]

If they could have, they would have. No way they let him go.

They are much worse for it. And he is totally worth the money.

As for JC, no the Patriots did not need to create cap space.

He counts for $8m under the cap this year. When he signed, the Patriots had more than enough space.

You think JC Jackson is a shut down corner?

 

[Pats2000]

That’s why you tie in the totality of everything, how many SB wins do they have if they are a WC team and need to go on the road? Or play half those Afc Champ games on the road? Having the luxury to win 12+ games every year in their sleep is because of the quarterback. Which is why going on a game by game basis makes no sense Imo

It's ironic your screen name and the weight you put on just Brady and not the team

 

[ralmat55]

You are simply just contradicting yourself with each line. The chiefs couldn’t create cap space, if they could they would’ve…so you’re essentially saying the patriots didn’t want JC on the roster? They had 10 mil in space before FA, he accounts for 80% of that. Unless they didn’t want anybody else added then they could’ve afforded him

Also what’s Tyreeks cap number this year?

The belief the Chiefs and Packers did not have the cap space to meet the financial demands of Tyreek Hill and Devante Adams which is why both teams traded the player is false.

Hill’s 2022 salary before his trade was $18 million. Adams was on the books for his franchise tender. With signing bonuses in lieu of salary, the $18 million and the franchise tender provided more than enough cap space to enrich and extend those players.

The Chiefs and Packers chose the draft picks offered and money and cap space saved to keeping the player. That might be difficult for the receiver obsessed among us to believe, but it’s what happened.