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    i thought we did dumb it down. We had Tom pointing during the play where to run too........
     
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    I don’t think that’s his point at all, and I agree with the idea that Brady needs to take some responsibility by simply getting the ball to the open man instead of always expecting everyone to be precisely where he wants them to be. Plenty of QB’s do this every week and he can do it as well.
     
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    I just did but I’m not sure it meets the definition of “dumbing down” the offense.
     
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    The only way to "dumb it down" would be to prune plays or adjustments that McD/BB/Brady have added over the years to specific looks but that would take the teeth out of the system. It is literally not possible to do that without making the offense less effective.

    What else is there ? Reduce number of option routes to make them easier to understand ? lol..

    What Kontra is saying about rookies/players without a total grasp getting only a certain slice of the offense and then continue to be used only in those concepts is already a big compromise and it shows.

    Like you are saying. The system is the system and the playbook is the playbook.
     
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    That didn't go for a pick 6. The Texans scored a TD on the ensuing drive but they didn't score on the pick.
     
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    No. How far can you dumb it down when guys can’t even read hand signals?
     
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    On a positive note Jakobi Meyers is Trending up ^ I know they were injuries but 17 Targets in Two weeks and a few called back because of penalties.:)
     
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    You would think with the need we have for a very fast wr, Dorsett would fill it, but his game speed is not impressive. He also not consistent enough.
     
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    People always dislike it what I say this but Meyers might turn out to be the better of the wrs we took this draft. Good hands and speed, just had a brain fart on a couple of plays.
     
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    Yea I'd say we're limiting our playbook 100%.

    When I hear "dumb down" I think of something totally different.

    We might be calling easier concepts but we're still running our stuff. Again we're just not opening the playbook for obvious reasons.
     
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    Exactly! A lot of the Patriots' scheme is based on wide receivers knowing different options based on what the defense is showing/doing. Everyone knows how long it can take QBs/WRs to be able to accurately identify every defensive formation, and then choose the correct option. With a WR corps that includes a few young guys that are integral to the success of the offense, maybe allowing them to run a simplified version where they can just run their route will lead to success. It is clear that as of right now, the current scheme is not working well for the young guys.

    I was just asking the question because I think it's debatable. I am by no means saying that simplifying the offense is the correct way to go.
     
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    It was noted that Dorsett ran the wrong route last night in a certain series. A vet who's been here three years shouldn't be running the wrong route knowing how Brady is a perfectionist. Hope he's not still suffering from that concussion.
     
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    This is why I often say that Brady is the system. Nobody else in history has ever run this offense, because it's unique to the QB (and his relative strengths and weaknesses), modified by the OCs and HC. And I think that's why BB seemed so intrigued by JAG, as he seemed to be able to process in a manner similar to Brady
     
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    This. I don't see how "dumb it down" is coming into play this week, when we were watching a pair of receivers who screwed up something that a bunch of weekend players can pick up after a 5 second discussion.
     
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    How much can that get coached? My hunch is it is very coachable. Dont' count this kid out guys. FFS. We are 10-2. We have been in much worse positions. We can go into Baltimore and punch them in the mouth. It will make it all the more sweet.
     
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    Exactly, this reminds me of Gilmore struggling with defense concepts. Except for one way, Gilmore eventually picked up and became what he is now. I’m not sure that’s the case with some of these receivers
     
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    As BGC said, the Patriots "system" is dependent on Brady. There's nothing particularly complicated about it, compared to other offenses. It's just much more reliant on knowing what's in Brady's head.

    It's not physical deterioration - his arm looks like it has more pop than it did this time last year - but you wonder if Brady's becoming less patient and willing to work with new people to integrate them into the offense. The 2017-2019 teams relied on guys who had been around for a long time... Edelman, Gronk, White, Amendola (through 2018). Part of it is talent, but some of these guys should have the talent. I think that's something any worker can relate to as they get older, but it is potentially a big issue for a team like the Patriots where everything revolves around Brady for good reason. You can't 'dumb it down' from that because there isn't anywhere else to go.
     
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    Dorsett is better when there are better pieces around him and he's not a focal point. He's best at #3 or #4. That's it and it's time people see it and realize it.
     
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    People do not understand what you stated above is exactly how Brady went from a physically under valued QB to the greatest of all time. Without those, he will look exactly like what his combine stat sheet and evaluation said about him and the GOAT would never happened. When you can not out physical the other team, you have to out smart and out work them, and that was exactly what made Brady the goat.
     
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    Frankly i feel brady can play in any system if he has the weapons but that’s my opinion. The jury is still out on jimmy g. He doesn’t have brady’s intangibles yet maybe he might never have them.
     

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