Sean Payton will be a FA after this season

[DaBruinz]

I am guessing that there are similar threads on fan forums for at least a dozen other NFL teams as well, though without a doubt those two surely top the list.

Saints
Cowboys
Chiefs
Redskins Pretty sure they love Shanahan up there
Chargers
Browns
Jets
Eagles
Bengals
Panthers
Bills
Jaguars It's unlikely that Mularkey won't be given more than one season.
Titans
Cardinals
Raiders Dennis Allen was hired this year
Vikings
Raiders You have them twice for a reason?
Rams Just hired Fisher.


Did I leave anyone out?

I would say that the Cowboys and Chiefs are the two front-runners to try and steal Payton from New Orleans. I mention the Chiefs because of all the rumors that Crennel and Pioli are done there at the end of the season and the fact that the Hunts still have offices in Dallas.

 

[VrabelJr]

It's utter bull**** and complete admittance of guilt that such a clause existed in his contract. if I was a Saints fan I'd be pissed. Payton ****ed them over and is leaving them with the bill. He's going to go from hero to villain if he bails on the Saints. It's clear the Saints will be going through a rebuilding phase (O-Line, RB and entire Defense). He's a joke if he runs off to Dallas.

 

[VrabelJr]

Sean Payton deal with New Orleans Saints voided by NFL, sources say - ESPN

"Within the past year, the multiyear contract extension the Saints announced for Sean Payton in September 2011 was voided by the NFL, making the suspended head coach a free agent after this season and casting questions on how long he will remain in New Orleans, according to league sources."


OK, this is huge news. The Omissioner REALLY stuck it to the Saints. Per Adam Shefter he voided Sean Payton's contract extension as part of the "Bountygate" punishment, so now Payton will be a highly sought after FA coach after this season.

Imagine how we would all feel if Badell had voided BB's contract as part of Spygate.

Belichick doesn't want to coach for anyone but Mr. Kraft. So he would have done the right thing which is sign a new deal with the Patriots.

 

[stcjones]

Really a NON story here......Saints will do what it takes to get this guy back for next season....move along NOTHING to see here....IF we had a 40 year old BB hanging around and he had SOME kind of loyalties in place....or a DESIRE to coach there.....don't you think he would make a DEAL to come back???? Well this is the ONLY chapter of the story that matters. Unless Payton HAtES the Saints (which from all reports he does not.....) he will WANT to return there....that is half the story. Then, the saints ownership have to MAKE THE DEAL attractive.....which they will.......Game over. Trust me ....payton could coach in NO for the rest of his life most likely.....so those idiots in NYC that think he is coming to the Jests once they can Rexy.......might as well get real....Aint gonna happen....He will be with Saints Long Term!!!

Sean Payton deal with New Orleans Saints voided by NFL, sources say - ESPN

"Within the past year, the multiyear contract extension the Saints announced for Sean Payton in September 2011 was voided by the NFL, making the suspended head coach a free agent after this season and casting questions on how long he will remain in New Orleans, according to league sources."


OK, this is huge news. The Omissioner REALLY stuck it to the Saints. Per Adam Shefter he voided Sean Payton's contract extension as part of the "Bountygate" punishment, so now Payton will be a highly sought after FA coach after this season.

Imagine how we would all feel if Badell had voided BB's contract as part of Spygate.

 

[VrabelJr]

Yeah but what sucks is BountyGate isn't the Saints fans or owners issue. It's Payton's and Greg Williams' doing. Why should Payton be rewarded with FA coaching opportunity? If Payton gets a penny more in his new deal he has been rewarded for cheating.

 

[goheels22002]

It's utter bull**** and complete admittance of guilt that such a clause existed in his contract. if I was a Saints fan I'd be pissed. Payton ****ed them over and is leaving them with the bill. He's going to go from hero to villain if he bails on the Saints. It's clear the Saints will be going through a rebuilding phase (O-Line, RB and entire Defense). He's a joke if he runs off to Dallas.

I don't think Payton will be reviled in NO if he leaves now that the contract was deemed illegal. He still brought a SB to a city in need of excellence, and he'll leave a pretty good team behind if he goes. The circumstances don't change that.

It was interesting to see that the reason the contract was voided was the Joe Vitt clause. He demanded and won the right to select and keep his assistants from the ownership. Contractually, you can't really have a third party clause that governs the rights of an employer to make their own deals with each employee. You can include hiring/firing input for positions on a staff, but not a contract that overrules other contracts between employer/employee.

The situation in New Orleans is turning venomous. Payton may do well to look for a change of scene.

 

[Gumby]

It's utter bull**** and complete admittance of guilt that such a clause existed in his contract. if I was a Saints fan I'd be pissed. Payton ****ed them over and is leaving them with the bill. He's going to go from hero to villain if he bails on the Saints. It's clear the Saints will be going through a rebuilding phase (O-Line, RB and entire Defense). He's a joke if he runs off to Dallas.

i'm not sure its admittance of guilt so much as evidence of how much Payton trusts Loomis and had his back.

Essentially it is the old Parcell's who gets to buy the groceries argument. He either knew Loomis well enough to work with him or Loomis would take orders from Payton and so he only wanted to stay HC while Loomis was there to do his bidding.

Anyway, who was closer to the organizational failure of Bountygate: THE GM who is supposed to be managing operations staff and drafting, scouting etc OR THE HC who is supposed to be managing the ACTIVE PLAYERS. Obviously the HC which is also reflected in their specific suspensions only 8 for the GM and 16 for Payton. So I really dont get this accusation that somehow the guy who would be MORE RESPONSIBLE could somehow protect the guy LESS RESPONSIBLE by asking for this to be in the contract???

It seems the contract clause was there to protect Loomis from any action by BENSON (for non-bountygate issues) not action by the NFL that would be naturally focused first on Payton.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Not true, the contract was voided before the punishment was handed down:

At issue in the contract was one specific clause that would have enabled Payton to walk away from the deal if general manager Mickey Loomis was suspended, fired or left the New Orleans organization, sources said.

The league believed that any such language in Payton's contract would set a bad precedent for other coaching contracts and rejected the deal well before Loomis was suspended for the first eight games this season for his part in the bounty scandal.

Regardless this does still suck for the Saints.

It's a risky strategy here to introduce facts into a discussion where people have staked out a position.

Welcome to the Board, BTW. More posts like that are strongly encouraged!

:welcome:

 

[1960Pats]

Yeah but what sucks is BountyGate isn't the Saints fans or owners issue. It's Payton's and Greg Williams' doing. Why should Payton be rewarded with FA coaching opportunity? If Payton gets a penny more in his new deal he has been rewarded for cheating.

I don't think Payton will be reviled in NO if he leaves now that the contract was deemed illegal. He still brought a SB to a city in need of excellence, and he'll leave a pretty good team behind if he goes. The circumstances don't change that.

It was interesting to see that the reason the contract was voided was the Joe Vitt clause. He demanded and won the right to select and keep his assistants from the ownership. Contractually, you can't really have a third party clause that governs the rights of an employer to make their own deals with each employee. You can include hiring/firing input for positions on a staff, but not a contract that overrules other contracts between employer/employee.

The situation in New Orleans is turning venomous. Payton may do well to look for a change of scene.

This situation reminds me a lot of the way a HC can leave a deal in the NCAA and have a job the next day, while the players are stuck for whatever deal they made, or have to sit out for a year.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

This is fascinating given the HCs on the hot seat in San Diego, Philadelphia, Dallas, NY Jets, KC, etc. If it were possible to get Sean Payton, firing the HC would not be as big a deal. If the Jets fired both Tannenbaum and Ryan, Payton would make an interesting HC/GM.

You might be right, but from what I've seen of him, Payton is too smart ever to go work for an idiot like Woody Johnson. Ditto when it comes to the incomparable Spanos duo in San Diego (not for nothing did Archie want to keep Eli from their grasp...one of the few things on which I would agree with him).

Dallas is a strong contender given Payton's ties to the area, but Jerry Jones would have to undergo a personality transplant and not micromanage the operation.

KC and Philly are real options with the edge to Philly; Laurie is a class act as an owner.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Sean Payton would be a perfect assistant coach to Bill Belichick

Sean Payton would be a perfect head coach for the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[patman52]

Yeah but what sucks is BountyGate isn't the Saints fans or owners issue. It's Payton's and Greg Williams' doing. Why should Payton be rewarded with FA coaching opportunity? If Payton gets a penny more in his new deal he has been rewarded for cheating.

It has nothing to do with Bounty gate. His contract was due to expire after this year, so he and Benson did a new contract. the new contract had a clause saying that Payton can walk the following year If the GM is fired or suspended. The owners thru Goddell thought that this would give the coaches/GMs to much power as if the GM goes the HC goes too.

 

[Gumby]

Regardless, I dont see Payton moving anywhere (of course I am often wrong on things).

But he has an org in Saints that he built his way with a set of trusted asst coaches and GM, a solid qb-offense, some talent solid talent on D, and a relatively weak division he can dominate to get to the playoffs. he should trade that for a meddlesome owner in Dallas (since that is where he has a house) with a hot-cold qb and no guarantees he could bring half his staff with him?

any other locations (jesters PUH-LEASE) make even less sense.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

you mean he doesn't want to coach a team that is so close to getting to the SB year after year?

Not to mention, being a team that has won the Super Bowl in April four years in a row!

 

[RodThePat]

Regardless, I dont see Payton moving anywhere (of course I am often wrong on things).

But he has an org in Saints that he built his way with a set of trusted asst coaches and GM, a solid qb-offense, some talent solid talent on D, and a relatively weak division he can dominate to get to the playoffs. he should trade that for a meddlesome owner in Dallas (since that is where he has a house) with a hot-cold qb and no guarantees he could bring half his staff with him?

any other locations (jesters PUH-LEASE) make even less sense.

Sean Payton had various misunderstandings with the Saints about living in New Orleans. His family (mainly his wife) hated it there, and he wanted to keep living in Dallas and commuting to work, something the owner denied him. Him and his wife are divorced now, likely due to the circumstances regarding Payton having to live in New Orleans to coach the Saints, and his kids live in Dallas now. I'd think he'd rather be close to his family, and work for an organization he has previous ties with, than staying with the Saints. The Cowboys are very talented, much more so than the Saints are, the only thing they lack is discipline. Payton could make them a contender really fast.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The media tends to disregard the obvious when it doesn't lend itself to fueling their speculation...

Some in the league office believe Payton's contract could toll -- meaning the last year would be put on hold, tying him to New Orleans for the 2013 season -- but there is no evidence to confirm that possibility. Until now, the league has not been asked to review or rule on the contract, according to sources, though some believe it eventually could.

If he were a player there would be no question that his contract would toll. I doubt the case is different with a HC who was unable to fulfill his contract due to a conduct suspension. Might make for an ugly situation though if Payton is actually interested in moving on. However in that case Benson wouldn't really want him and the sides would probably agree to some form of compensation to avoid a protracted contractual rights battle that would result in NO, Dallas and Payton being in limbo.

And as much as Dallas may make sense for Payton from a family standpoint, being a Parcell's protoge I doubt he is really that interested in the coach killing position that working for Jerry has become. Payton knows he can straighten out NO's offense as long as Brees is contractually bound to run it. His issues revolve around his own inability to run a defense. But the poor play this season has likely guaranteed he has at least another year of working with a highly thought of and motivated DC who just needs some pieces in place to get that side of the ball back in focus.

It's also pretty clear now that Benson has purchased the basketball team and put Loomis in charge of running it, too, that Loomis isn't at risk of being replaced in NO any time soon. With Loomis and Brees locked up there is little reason for that kind of clause to pose an impediment to extending Payton.

And I think after his suspension most other teams would have at least a twinge of pause in persuing him. He does seem to have had the ego to push the envelope on many levels, including probably anticipating being able to write/leverage his own ticket. Essentially his decisions (hiring Williams, giving him carte blanche, allowing the pay for play turned bounty program to continue to exist despite league warnings) cost the NO owner a season as well as draft picks. I doubt at this point there would be that many owners eager to give him what he wants minus some unpalatable, ego deflating checks and balances.

That said, speculation drives ratings and neither the media nor the Saints nor Payton nor Dallas or any team similarly facing the potential of another lost season will be all that interested in putting a firm lid on it for that reason. Gives their fans something to get energized about and distracted by during what for them will be the elongated dead period in their seasons.

 

[Kontradiction]

The Cowboys are loaded with talent, the only thing they lack is discipline. If Payton is their Head Coach next season, they'll be a force to be reckoned with in the NFC.

I can't see a guy like Payton going to the Cowboys and being a yes man to Jerry Jones.

The contact wasn't voided because of Bountygate. It was voided because a clause in it was found unacceptable.
I don't see the issue here, they can just resign the deal without the clause in it.
Payton isn't leaving NO.

Thanks. I was wondering what would stop the Saints from putting a new contract on the table. Steve Spagnuolo was just hired and, although their defense blows right now, they could put the right pieces in place through the draft to turn it around. With a guy like that on board, I don't see why Payton wouldn't come back to coach with that offense.

 

[Jackson 2]

Sean Payton would be a perfect assistant coach to Bill Belichick

He'll have a million offers in 3.2 seconds.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Is there any chance he actually goes somewhere else? NO can't afford to let him get away

 

[PatsBoy12]

Does he know anything about defense? If so, DC maybe?