Safe, conservative draft picks

[Hyped]

Galoot? A galoot? No galoots for me. No siree, Bob!

 

[TommyD4207]

It is hard to screwup when you are picking early in each round, but the Patriots managed to do it last year.

This year, if they simply make the obvious, safe choices, they should do well. No tricks or surprises (Tim Tebow anyone?) or crappy trades (Slo-Poke).

Keep it simple:

Round One: Will Campbell. The arm reach issues is ridiculous; Campbell will protect Drake's blind side for years to come and become a road grader on running plays.

Round Two: A reasonable WR such as Jalen Royals or Tre Harris or maybe a tradeup for Egbuka

Round Three: A big galoot at Center or a TE that can block

Round Four: A TE who can block or a big galoot at Center


That would be a really nice draft haul if they can avoid the BB-style or Josh-style zingers.

I'll concede the 'arm reach issues are ridiculous' if you can name me any starting left tackle who has had shorter than 33" arms this century.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

The only round where early position makes it harder to screw up is the first.

There isn't much of a difference between winning the SB and picking at 64 vs. being the worst team and picking at 65.

I suppose, but maybe it is a matter of semantics (whatever that means). If you are picking first or second or third in the second round, it is almost as good as a late first rounder. So this leaves the door open for the Patriots to do a royal screwup against this year. The poor yield in the Milton trade made me think that the Patriots have not cleaned up their act yet.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I'll concede the 'arm reach issues are ridiculous' if you can name me any starting left tackle who has had shorter than 33" arms this century.

OK, you may have a point, but most the time a LT's arms are folded a bit anyway so the arm length does not matter....but it may mean that a DE can keep Campbell away from their body. I wish that someone could ask Dante Scar how important this is.

All these stats and measurements are fun, but I want to see how he actually did in a game against top SEC edge rushers......the highlight I saw looked good, but, of course, they did not show the whiffs

 

[Triumph]

OK, you may have a point, but most the time a LT's arms are folded a bit anyway so the arm length does not matter....but may mean that a DE can keep Campbell away from their body. I wish that someone could ask Dante Scar how important this is.

All these stats and measurements are fun, but I want to see how he actually did in a game against top SEC edge rushers......the highlight I saw looked good, but, of course, they did not show the whiffs

I like to believe that feet are more important for OL.

Great footwork able to move in any direction for the optimum blocking position.

 

[JohnJH]

You can get a good center like Jake Majors in R5, maybe even R6 if they want to get back into R6 by trading back with #177. There's a lot of depth at a lot of positions this draft, just because it's not loaded with surefire pro-bowlers doesn't mean they won't find guys who can contribute.

I'd also prefer Jayden Higgins if we go WR in the 2nd Round.

 

[Ring 6]

I'll concede the 'arm reach issues are ridiculous' if you can name me any starting left tackle who has had shorter than 33" arms this century.

Can you name any who failed because of arm length?

 

[WhatJustHappened]

OK, you may have a point, but most the time a LT's arms are folded a bit anyway so the arm length does not matter....but it may mean that a DE can keep Campbell away from their body. I wish that someone could ask Dante Scar how important this is.

All these stats and measurements are fun, but I want to see how he actually did in a game against top SEC edge rushers......the highlight I saw looked good, but, of course, they did not show the whiffs

Scar has already answered this question.

 

[TommyD4207]

Can you name any who failed because of arm length?

Since 2015, 118 offensive linemen were drafted in rounds one and two, projected to play tackle for their teams when they were drafted.

21 of those 118 had an arm length of 33 inches or shorter, and a sub 80 inch wingpan.

10 became guards. 10 centers. 1, and only one, is a tackle: Luke Goedeke (32 1/4" arms and 79 7/8" wingspan), who is a right tackle (and not a particularly good one).

Of those 21 drafted, none of them were taller than 6'5".

Will Campbell is 6'6", plays *very* upright, even for a tackle, has a 32 5/8" arm length, and 77 5/8" wingspan. If he starts and excels at left tackle, he would be one of one. For a guy who has a Matt Light-type ceiling...is that worth pick 4 to you? That's the question.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Yadda yadda yadda...
Everyone is a fkn genius, yet NOONE has a fkn job in any NFL Office.

 

[TommyD4207]

Yadda yadda yadda...
Everyone is a fkn genius, yet NOONE has a fkn job in any NFL Office.

Don't worry. "Noone" would ever confuse you for a genius. You're off the hook.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Scar has already answered this question.

Ha, yes I looked it up. Here is what he said about arm length: "That [expletive] is way overrated," This was from here: No absolutes: A lesson on o-line arm length with Dante Scarnecchia

"Last season, in a three-week stretch, he [Campbell] saw three potential first-round pass-rushers -- Landon Jackson (33 1/4-inch arms) of Arkansas, Shemar Stewart (34 1/8-inch arms) of Texas A&M and Jihad Campbell (32 1/2-inch arms) of Alabama -- and didn't allow a sack, all the while flashing the elite-level athleticism he put on display at the combine."

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Yeah, fun stuff.

 

[Ring 6]

Since 2015, 118 offensive linemen were drafted in rounds one and two, projected to play tackle for their teams when they were drafted.

21 of those 118 had an arm length of 33 inches or shorter, and a sub 80 inch wingpan.

10 became guards. 10 centers. 1, and only one, is a tackle: Luke Goedeke (32 1/4" arms and 79 7/8" wingspan), who is a right tackle (and not a particularly good one).

Of those 21 drafted, none of them were taller than 6'5".

Will Campbell is 6'6", plays *very* upright, even for a tackle, has a 32 5/8" arm length, and 77 5/8" wingspan. If he starts and excels at left tackle, he would be one of one. For a guy who has a Matt Light-type ceiling...is that worth pick 4 to you? That's the question.

Who are the 21 you are referring to?
What is your basis that they were projected to be Ts.
How many were drafted in the top half of round 1, a unanimous expectation for Campbell.
Campbell has a much, much higher ceiling than Matt Light.

Do you honestly believe a half inch of arm length is more important than talent? Dante Scarnechia doesn’t.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

"We can get a LT IN RD 2" .sick of hearing this IDIOCY.
You aren't getting an everyday LT in Rd 2.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The "safe" pick at 4 is Graham. You can't really start with a guy who has a major red flag

I thought you said “ If Carter falls to us at 4 you take him?”

Carter has multiple “ red flags.” He has a broken foot, a damaged shoulder, and serious character concerns.

 

[TommyD4207]

OK, you may have a point, but most the time a LT's arms are folded a bit anyway so the arm length does not matter....but it may mean that a DE can keep Campbell away from their body. I wish that someone could ask Dante Scar how important this is.

All these stats and measurements are fun, but I want to see how he actually did in a game against top SEC edge rushers......the highlight I saw looked good, but, of course, they did not show the whiffs

Kennard is 6'5" ~250, and will probably go late day 2. He's a 2nd-tier 'SEC Edge Rusher'. He'll make a team and be a pro.

Campbell's a good player, and I've said that repeatedly. He's a *good* player, but he's limited. And considering the AFC East has almost exclusively long, big pass rushers (not your usual pass-rusher specialists), it's really my main concern at taking him at 4.

You can see on this tape why people like Campbell. You can also see why other people like myself have major red flags when it comes to him. Campbell will be seeing pass rushers like Kennard most weeks (usually better), and in every divisional game.

Additionally, you can see how high he takes his stance, much higher than the RT on the other side, that's my concern about 'kicking him in to guard'.

 

[Triumph]

"We can get a LT IN RD 2" .sick of hearing this IDIOCY.
You aren't getting an everyday LT in Rd 2.

Take the best LT at 4 and roll on.

Sure, there are likely good and maybe great LT's down the draft board, but they come with even more risk than # 4.

 

[Triumph]

Can you be an above average offensive tackle in the NFL with ‘short’ arms?

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[Triumph]

Thuney was doing a bang up job at LT until the Eagles.

It appeared that KC had cheated the hangman once more after the Bills 5hit the bed. Yes, Thuneys shorter reach was exposed in the SB, but the entire KC OL broke down across the LOS. Moving Thuney outside created a weak spot at LG inside. The KC RT struggled too. The Eagles are a rare team able to wreak havoc rushing only 4 DL. The fact that KC could not run the ball spelled doom. Pacheco was no way near 100% and Kareem Hunt looked old.