Ryan Mallett's Mechanics

[manxman2601]

EC Stoner @ Draft Breakdown has an interesting analysis of Ryan Mallett's mechanics.

To sum it up, when he's pressured he moves well in the pocket and the limited time enables him to show proper form when throwing the ball. When he's got a big safe pocket to throw in, he has a mechanical flaw involving leaning too far forward and being off-balance. I'm not overly familiar so I'll pass it on to those with better knowledge to discuss if they feel the need.

Film Session: Ryan Mallett, Because Mechanics | Draft Breakdown

 

[UK_Pat37]

The guys snapshots are of Mallett's follow through. Some QBs exaggerate it more than others. No reason why he hasn't been able to properly use his hips behind the ball and, in fact, if he has a big follow through he's probably using them more than he needs too.

His snapshots are after the ball has been released...to get an idea of why he has had some accuracy issues we really need to see his release.

His follow through looks like he's pitching a baseball. Some coaches teach to over emphasise the follow through.

If anything I would argue that he could take some of that exaggeration off of it when he's trying to add more touch to his passes. His main criticism is putting too much on passes that require more air and a slightly more arched ball. The one thing we can take from those photos (depending on the pass he's throwing) is what we already know. Your release point and body position changes depending on the type of throw. If he's throwing a quick out, that's probably alerted toy fine. If he's throwing a corner pattern with a defender tailing closely, that's not going to cut it and may suggest his release is too low or he's putting too much on it.

It almost looks like he's throwing a fast ball most of the time. Again, without knowing which route he was hitting, it's tough to say how his throwing motion should be.

 

[AzPatsFan]

EC Stoner @ Draft Breakdown has an interesting analysis of Ryan Mallett's mechanics.

To sum it up, when he's pressured he moves well in the pocket and the limited time enables him to show proper form when throwing the ball. When he's got a big safe pocket to throw in, he has a mechanical flaw involving leaning too far forward and being off-balance. I'm not overly familiar so I'll pass it on to those with better knowledge to discuss if they feel the need.

Film Session: Ryan Mallett, Because Mechanics | Draft Breakdown

I thought this was an interesting analysis and seem to have some validity. When totally unpressured and has the pocket room, he sometimes overstrides, raises his backleg, and becomes unbalanced,with too much weight on his front leg. This only occurs, when he has plenty of time and room, and intends to really fire the ball. It then sails high...

 

[UK_Pat37]

I thought this was an interesting analysis and seem to have some validity. When totally unpressured and has the pocket room, he sometimes overstrides, raises his backleg, and becomes unbalanced,with too much weight on his front leg. This only occurs, when he has plenty of time and room, and intends to really fire the ball. It then sails high...

The usual cause of a ball sailing is when you don't transfer you weight from A to Z...in other words your back foot to your front foot. You're non-throwing shoulder is supposed to dip lower than your throwing shoulder during your follow through and if you don't transfer your weight properly, it will stick too high. When this happens, your hips don't open up properly and that causes your balls to sail over your intended target.

The only thing I can really think of is he's over exaggerating with his back foot. You're supposed to drag it and raise it as you bring your throwing arm across your body and pronate your wrist...it looks like he's bringing it up quite a bit. This can lead to inconsistencies in his accuracy of he's not being consistent with his follow through...when you're a QB everything has to be perfect and in sync...if one thing doesn't function properly everything fails. It all starts with your drop back and ends in the follow through.

He looks like he's exaggerating it a little too much...that's his issue. But without a look at his full motion and release it's hard to tell what he's doing at the point of release.

 

[manxman2601]

I thought this was an interesting analysis and seem to have some validity. When totally unpressured and has the pocket room, he sometimes overstrides, raises his backleg, and becomes unbalanced,with too much weight on his front leg. This only occurs, when he has plenty of time and room, and intends to really fire the ball. It then sails high...

Maybe this is why the Pats are playing with a poor OL in preseason - to help Mallett by giving him less time :bricks:

 

[Sicilian]

Maybe this is why the Pats are playing with a poor OL in preseason - to help Mallett by giving him less time :bricks:

Belichick's a GENIUS!

 

[PP2]

This analysis is spot on. I thought Mallett's throws were overtly dependent on his arm, but wasn't aware of how, and this is a good clarification. As they say, the throw starts in the back foot. Using your entire body lessens the strain on your arm.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Very interesting write-up, it's amazing that Mallett has so much power even though he's eliminating the hip rotation from the throwing motion. There's a TON power potential he's missing out on by not roating that hip.

I've also seen Mallet throw the ball many different ways, he'll have a tough time being consistently acurate like that. Dedication and a good throwing coach could help him go a long way towards fixing that.

 

[UK_Pat37]

Very interesting write-up, it's amazing that Mallett has so much power even though he's eliminating the hip rotation from the throwing motion. There's a TON power potential he's missing out on by not roating that hip.

I've also seen Mallet throw the ball many different ways, he'll have a tough time being consistently acurate like that. Dedication and a good throwing coach could help him go a long way towards fixing that.

I'm not really in agreement...you can see the hip rotation on the snaps. If anything, he's over exaggerating...his back foot needs to be trailing as close to the ground as possible after his release. These shots are after his release...you really need to see what he's doing as he steps into his throw, not what's going on after he has released the football.

If he is indeed locking his leg, there's no chance he gets that level of rotation to the point where his back foot can be trailing so high.

I don't really think its easy to tell from those shots. If he had the coaching ape it would be much easier to see.

His non throwing shoulder is dipping below his throwing shoulder in all of those pics...so I can't see it being a problem with locking his knee otherwise his weight wouldn't transfer and his non throwing shoulder would rise up.

What he really needs to tell us in this article is the route and the result of the throw. Without knowing whether it was complete, incomplete, or what route he's throwing (which matters) then its tough to draw a conclusion from it.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I'm not really in agreement...you can see the hip rotation on the snaps. If anything, he's over exaggerating...his back foot needs to be trailing as close to the ground as possible after his release. These shots are after his release...you really need to see what he's doing as he steps into his throw, not what's going on after he has released the football.

If he is indeed locking his leg, there's no chance he gets that level of rotation to the point where his back foot can be trailing so high.

I don't really think its easy to tell from those shots. If he had the coaching ape it would be much easier to see.

His non throwing shoulder is dipping below his throwing shoulder in all of those pics...so I can't see it being a problem with locking his knee otherwise his weight wouldn't transfer and his non throwing shoulder would rise up.

What he really needs to tell us in this article is the route and the result of the throw. Without knowing whether it was complete, incomplete, or what route he's throwing (which matters) then its tough to draw a conclusion from it.

I agree to disagree

Sport Science Tests Arkansas Quarterback Ryan Mallett's Arm Strength - YouTube

This vid very clearly shows that his hips and torso are moving as one unit, there's no separation between the two, eliminating the power potential from that link. Now take a look at the separation demonstrated by Tim Lincecum, who has damn near perfect mechanics IMO, big difference.



So, I maintain my position that Mallett could be a lot better with the right people to guide him, assuming he has the wisdom to seek their guidance.

 

[patfanken]

I agree to disagree

So, I maintain my position that Mallett could be a lot better with the right people to guide him, assuming he has the wisdom to seek their guidance.

So without getting into the technicalities of the teaching of QB mechanics, are you telling us that the group of coaches that the Pats have right now are NOT good enough to be teaching the QB position to Ryan Mallet? That he'd be better off with someone else?

I'm really interested in hearing who you think would be better, because between Tom Brady, who has done more to improve upon his skill level SINCE he's been in the NFL than perhaps any other QB in recent history, and BB, who was Brady's QB coach for 2 seasons, and McDaniels, who Tom thinks is a genius and created Matt Cassell; you have 3 pretty good exemplars for Mallett to learn from. I'm just curious to know who you think would be better

 

[Snake Eyes]

So without getting into the technicalities of the teaching of QB mechanics, are you telling us that the group of coaches that the Pats have right now are NOT good enough to be teaching the QB position to Ryan Mallet? That he'd be better off with someone else?

I'm really interested in hearing who you think would be better, because between Tom Brady, who has done more to improve upon his skill level SINCE he's been in the NFL than perhaps any other QB in recent history, and BB, who was Brady's QB coach for 2 seasons, and McDaniels, who Tom thinks is a genius and created Matt Cassell; you have 3 pretty good exemplars for Mallett to learn from. I'm just curious to know who you think would be better

First off, TFB never thought the coaches on the Patriot's staff were sufficient, that's why he was always working with the QB whisperer, until he passed. Next, we have no idea whether TFB is interested in coaching Mallett on his mechanics. Finally, I don't know if Mallett is even interested in something like that, he might very well think "I've got the best arm in the league, who are these people who presume to teach me"?