PATRIOTS NEWS Rooney Rule fulfilled - Byron Leftwich and Pep Hamilton interviewed today

[Hugepatsfan]

Rooney rule does not “help” these minority candidates. It actually devalues them as it lumps them into a basket of “your not really qualified for the job but we will interview you anyways”.
I actually think this rule makes the problem worse

Extremely patronizing.

I think it was kinda-sorta working before the Flores lawsuit. The idea was to just put some buzz around a serious candidate with the idea that maybe it helps him in the next cycle even if he wasn't getting this job. His name gets out there and even just through the interview process he's able to learn...

But then once Flores did his lawsuit, teams switched to just doing these nonsense, obvious check-the-box type interviews. Because if you interview a serious candidate that has reason to be considered for the job and then don't hire him, there's room for him to think he got passed over for nefarious reasons. If it came to it, Kraft would be able to easily explain why Pep Hamilton or Leftwich don't get the job over Vrabel/Ben Johnson/etc., whereas maybe someone like Aaron Glenn wouldn't be as cut and dry and there's more room for the process to be picked apart.

 

[Zuma]

Would be odd if Vrabel was in the room with the Patriots during the Hamilton and Leftwich interviews to see if he wants one as OC.

 

[Boogs]

Rooney rule does not “help” these minority candidates. It actually devalues them as it lumps them into a basket of “your not really qualified for the job but we will interview you anyways”.
I actually think this rule makes the problem worse

Extremely patronizing.

It is patronizing

They use DEI in the US military now. I know a guy in the military. He told me about a Hispanic pilot who hates DEI because he doesn't want people questioning his ability. He wants others thinking he was selected because he was one of the best. There are several minorities that hate this crap.

And probably many of these coaches hate DEI and the Rooney rule except for guys like Mayo. Unless they have hope or have some type of compensation.

 

[mgteich]

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Would be odd if Vrabel was in the room with the Patriots during the Hamilton and Leftwich interviews to see if he wants one as OC.

more likely in virtual contract

 

[Boomer B]

I agree - i wonder why some minority candidates even go along with it. They can't win - either they participate in these "sympathy" interviews with no chance at the job, or if they are the best candidate some will say they were a DEI hire...

Even though they know it’s a sham it does give them a chance to talk to the powers that be and possibly get there name out there for future jobs. Tomlin in Pittsburgh wasn't their first choice but he nailed his interview and they ended up hiring him.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Even though they know it’s a sham it does give them a chance to talk to the powers that be and possibly get there name out there for future jobs. Tomlin in Pittsburgh wasn't their first choice but he nailed his interview and they ended up hiring him.

I don't think Flores would have been hired as quickly as he was had he not gotten his foot in the door with these interviews.

I agree that the coaching rule is probably not necessary anymore. Maybe GMs, though. Are there any minority GMs?

 

[NFL Mystique]

Johnson can't be hired until after the NFC title game or SB most likely. You hope that doesn't play a factor in hiring Vrabel. There also needs to be an x's and o's reason for hiring Vrabel. Don't do it just because of familiarity and being a Patriots HOFer.

 

[Ring 6]

Rooney rule is so demeaning for these candidates

Is it less demeaning to not interview them?

 

[Ring 6]

Even though they know it’s a sham it does give them a chance to talk to the powers that be and possibly get there name out there for future jobs. Tomlin in Pittsburgh wasn't their first choice but he nailed his interview and they ended up hiring him.

Arguably we would not have gone through what we did this year without Mayo getting DEI interviews, which Kraft admitted scared him into thinking he might lose him if he doesn’t hire him.

 

[Ring 6]

Does Rex Ryan qualify as meeting the Rooney rule for the jets because clowns are a protected class minority?

 

[Grogan14]

Is it less demeaning to not interview them?

Yes. Because interviewing them with no genuine interest is a waste of their time

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I agree - i wonder why some minority candidates even go along with it. They can't win - either they participate in these "sympathy" interviews with no chance at the job, or if they are the best candidate some will say they were a DEI hire...

Thought I read somewhere that a lot of times they setup the interviews and a lot of times the interviewee cancels since they know/hear they’ve pretty much already decided on another candidate, making it a moot interview/waste of time. Definitely demeaning and pointless if they get around/satisfy the rule like this.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes. Because interviewing them with no genuine interest is a waste of their time

It led to Mayo getting a job. Tomlin was a Rooney rule afterthought who got the job.
Going through an interview, getting prepared for the next one and getting the recognition of being a HC candidate is hardly a waste of time.
It may be for the team. And anyone who thinks it is demeaning could just refuse to interview.

 

[JohnJH]

Why have we not heard about a Vrabel interview?

It's been confirmed by masslive.com that Vrabel will be in for an interview. Besides, I think Vrabel as HC is already a done deal. But, that's just my humble opinion.

 

[Boogs]

Is it less demeaning to not interview them?

Yes. Because they know you are interviewing them because of their skin color and just trying to check off a box. It's embarrassing for both sides. Especially if you already know which coach you are trying to get.

 

[203Pat]

My guess is they interviewed Mike when he got his red jacket. I'm kidding a little bit, but not much. I feel that there was a lot said between these people that would have left him with a good feeling. Then when he got done in Tennessee, the conversation would have clearly been to take a wait and see approach with what happens with Mayo for the '24 season.

"Hey Mike, we have some real misgivings about our commitment to Jerod. We had to speed up the timeline with Bill and maybe screwed Jerod in the process. Let's circle back later on in the year and see how it looks."

Then, Mike being the ******* that he is, interviews with Da Jete. Message sent: "No eff'n around, Bob. Let's fekkin do this if we are gonna do this."

In case everyone forgets, here's his comments at the end of his halftime speech. This is while he was at the Titans, so I am sure this left a mark. IT starts at the 7:35 mark.


Vrabel's interview now really would be a different tone. Now the FO would want to know details on how he's going to implement his vision for the organization going forward. An interview with Johnson would be a much different experience. The Krafts are already sold on Mike. Now it's all about the details of how it will look. Johnson has to sell himself and his vision.

I definitely think some inroads were laid at the red jacket ceremony. I assume most of what was discussed was all in hypotheticals but I would think both sides knew there was some mutual interest. I still think Vrabel has the inside track and while I wouldn't hate the move I really want a complete clean slate with no ties to the dynasty era. Ben Johnson is my first choice for two reasons. One he is an innovative offensive coach that can develop Maye and they can grow together. Two is that he is new and doesn't have any ties to Bill, Kraft, Brady, etc. A completely fresh start and a new era is what I want.

 

[Steve102]

I definitely think some inroads were laid at the red jacket ceremony. I assume most of what was discussed was all in hypotheticals but I would think both sides knew there was some mutual interest. I still think Vrabel has the inside track and while I wouldn't hate the move I really want a complete clean slate with no ties to the dynasty era. Ben Johnson is my first choice for two reasons. One he is an innovative offensive coach that can develop Maye and they can grow together. Two is that he is new and doesn't have any ties to Bill, Kraft, Brady, etc. A completely fresh start and a new era is what I want.

I think (to me anyway) it's clear that the Krafts wanted to move away from Bill's autocratic ways while maintaining a certain amount of connection to the past, hence keeping Mayo in house. I think they really were bitter at Bill, witness the apple documentary BS, and they wanted a clean break from HIM while keeping the roots intact, which is why I think it's Vrabel's job to lose. I don't think they want a complete new direction. Just a feeling.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The New England Patriots' 2024 offensive rankings are:

• Offense yards average: 31st in the NFL, with an average of 291.9 yards per game
  
  
• Points per game: 30th in the NFL
  
  
• Passing yards per game: 32nd in the NFL, with an average of 176.2 yards per game
  
  
• Rushing yards per game: 13th in the NFL, with an average of 115.8 yards per game
  
  
• Time of possession per game: 24th in the NFL, with an average of 29:20 per game
  
  
• Pass block efficiency rating: Last in the NFL, with a rating of 77.1

Go look at their numbers the past 5 years under the Erhardt Perkins offense, they sucked. This year’s numbers had everything to do with the worst OL in football and Jacoby Brissett at QB for 8 games. Maye looked good and comfortable in the west coast offense, and going back to E-P would be idiotic.I

 

[hornetfb85]

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more likely in virtual contract

“Hey guys, welcome to your Patriots interview…don’t mind this anonymous fellow on the virtual chat…he’s just observing”

 

[imahobgoblin]

Johnson can't be hired until after the NFC title game or SB most likely. You hope that doesn't play a factor in hiring Vrabel. There also needs to be an x's and o's reason for hiring Vrabel. Don't do it just because of familiarity and being a Patriots HOFer.

They would do a handshake and then make it official.