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Rex Ryan says that he kept McKnight Because His Ceiling is Higher Than Woodhead's

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If that makes you feel better

I guess Pats fans just can't stand the suggestion that a player, especially a Jets player has a higher ceiling than a Pats player.

"High Ceiling" is a term for Jacksonville or Carolina fans.

You embarrass yourself here.
 
These aren't excuses, these are facts, but you're too naive to understand that.

That's rich.. you calling me naive when you've proven yourself to be absolutely ignorant in this thread. And yes, they are excuses and no, they are not fact. About the only thing you can say is that it's your baseless opinion.

Again, it's about opportunities and maturation. Woodhead has been in the league for 4-5 years and found his niche with the Pats, solid role player, does some things well, STILL DOES NOT HAVE THE UPSIDE OF MCKNIGHT, WHICH IS THE DAMN TOPIC OF THIS DISCUSSION. It's mind boggling how you still don't get it. I'm not even saying McKnight has done better than Woodhead up until this point, but that is exactly what you're arguing about.

Take your head out of your ass, would you? In football, you make your own opportunities. THIS is Woodhead's 4th year. And He's proven that his upside is higher than McKnight's, to this point.

You're claims that I am the one who doesn't get it are pathetic and certainly not fact. They are your worthless opinion.

They are dead last, period. What ever you want to spin to make yourself feel better, and I guess in this case, the more important stat is "points allowed." I went to NFL.com, looked up team defensive stats, the Pats were at the bottom.

That stat you looked up is based on yards allowed. Not on POINTS allowed. Since you can't comprehend the difference, let me spell it out for you. Points allowed is what determines who wins the game. NOT yards allowed. You clearly can't grasp that FACT.

Oh goody, another personal insult. :rolleyes

The Bills will come down to earth, the Raiders are improved, but still have flaws that will iron itself out as the season progresses. That is my opinion, and I'm sticking with it, sorry. The Raiders also didn't rip the Jets, they won with one big run, and some trickery, and it was a horribly officiated game.

The Bills have come down to earth? Because of one very close game? You seriously are fooling yourself and clearly are the naive one.

The Raiders beat the Jets. Period. How they did it doesn't matter.

Umm, no, not just the Raiders game, EVERY game, that IS the Patriot offense, Brady and the passing game. They are not an offense that runs the ball, they do it just because they need to from time to time to help offset the time of possession battle, this has been the case for the last several years if not more.

Seems to me you have trouble reading english. During the Raiders game, the Pats used the run to set up the pass. You'd know that if you knew a damn thing. Clearly you don't. Keep on deluding yourself. It's definitely what you are good at.

Well, I certainly don't claim to know more than you about the Pats, but to suggest Woodhead has carried the load, and then in the same sentence justify BJGE as a 1,000 yd RB, that certainly doesn't make much sense, now does it?

You have basically done so in this thread with some of your claims about the Offense.

You also seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. I pointed out 4 games where Woodhead got more snaps (carrying more of the load) than BJGE. Something that you claimed he hadn't done. I did NOT justify anything about BJGE in that sentence. That is you making sh!t up. OH, and BJGE was a 1000 yard rusher despite not being the main guy in those 4 games. AND despite this being a "Pass first" offense.

I cam to the Pats site, because the Jets are playing your Pats. The proper term is "know-nothing" not "no-nothing," and again, I never claimed I knew more than anybody, but if you're going to post BS, I'm going to call on it.

So, now you are trying to tell me what I meant in my own posts? You just love making a fool of yourself, don't you. No. The proper term is not "Know-nothing." The proper term is what I used. No-Nothing. As in WORTHLESS. YOU are the one who has posted BS. You're attempts at calling me out have resulted in nothing but you showing how much of a fool you are.

And again, as for the topic of this thread and my contribution. The REALITY is Rex thinks McKnight has a higher ceiling, and I've presented some of what I feel might be why he thinks this. Since then, all I've received is a bunch of insults and Pats fans crying and throwing stats at me, ALL OF WHICH provide NOTHING in support of the topic.

The reality is that Rex Ryan lied through his teeth about McKnight because, otherwise, he'd have to admit he did something wrong.

What you have received is many articulate posts that have shown Rex to be talking out his rear end. What you have received is plenty of posts that have used facts (not opinion) to show that this idea that McKnight is somehow going to be a better player over the long term just hasn't been supported.

The insults you have received are those deserved of someone who just talks out his ass, makes things up, and only looks at reality when he wants to.

Having a higher ceiling means that McKnight will, over the course of his career, do more in the NFL than Woodhead. Sorry, but he's not shown anything to make anyone with half a brain cell or more truly believe that to be the case.
 
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Why are Pats fans upset about the comments that McKnight has a higher ceiling? In McKnight, you're talking about a player with a ton of talent, raw talent, was a top HS recruit, Woodhead was nothing even close to any of that, went to a Div 2 school, is a scrapper, and plays his ass off, aka Wayne Chrebet.

You do realize that Woodhead is a better athlete than McKnight? Ever look at their comparable measurables coming out of college? That Woodhead was better in *every* measurable, most by a lot?

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Athletically, Woodhead only loses out to McKnight in height and albedo.
 
What you have received is many articulate posts that have shown Rex to be talking out his rear end. What you have received is plenty of posts that have used facts (not opinion) to show that this idea that McKnight is somehow going to be a better player over the long term just hasn't been supported.

The idea was never that McKnight would be a better player, it was that he has a higher ceiling because of his potential and ability.

All of that writing, and criticizing me for reading comprehension, yet, you are the one who can't read.

THAT is rich.
 
His ceiling is about 3.5" higher and the rest is all bs - Rexy was wrong.
 
His ceiling is about 3.5" higher and the rest is all bs - Rexy was wrong.

How the hell is Rex wrong? This won't be the case until both players play out their careers.
 
The idea was never that McKnight would be a better player, it was that he has a higher ceiling because of his potential and ability.

All of that writing, and criticizing me for reading comprehension, yet, you are the one who can't read.

THAT is rich.

Doesn't potential and ability equate to a better player? Is that over time? How much time?
 
How the hell is Rex wrong? This won't be the case until both players play out their careers.

When has Rex not talked up his players to the point of absurdity? He said all summer that Westerman was the team's best pass rusher (well, that might be the case since they have no pass rushers). He talked up Gholston for two years. He talked up Ducasse this summer who might have a better career as a NY subway turnstyle than an NFL o-lineman. Nearly everything Ryan says about his players is BS and just motivational stuff to build their egos because he believes his team runs on egos.
 
The idea was never that McKnight would be a better player, it was that he has a higher ceiling because of his potential and ability.

All of that writing, and criticizing me for reading comprehension, yet, you are the one who can't read.

THAT is rich.

WOW. You can't even quote me properly. And you wonder why you are criticized for your reading comprehension.

Here is what I said.

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Having a higher ceiling means that McKnight will, over the course of his career, do more in the NFL than Woodhead.

That's is what having a higher ceiling means. Clearly that is something you are incapable of comprehending. You should have stopped a long time ago because you just continue to prove you aren't capable of having a conversation with intelligent people.
 
Yeah, I sure the decision to keep McKnight over Woodhead had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that one was an UDFA and the other was a player they traded up to draft.
 
Yeah, I sure the decision to keep McKnight over Woodhead had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that one was an UDFA and the other was a player they traded up to draft.

If McKnight was a sixth or seventh round pick, Ryan would have cut him over Woodhead in a second. He couldn't cut McKnight because of him being the "Leon Washington replacement" which made that trade possible.
 
McKnight might have a higher ceiling, but he has got to get to it!

He has sucked so far in his career!

I quite like Woodhead!
 
Not only is Woodhead a better player, but that ceiling saves him tons on his heating bill.
 
The idea was never that McKnight would be a better player, it was that he has a higher ceiling because of his potential and ability.

What the hell does that mean??????

PLAYERS win Super Bowls. CEILINGS never won anything.

Dude, you live on a different planet.
 
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How the hell is Rex wrong? This won't be the case until both players play out their careers.
Because Woodhead already did more in 2010 than McKnight will do in his Jet career.
 
There's nothing wrong with what Rex said, and it may well turn out to be true. Unless he was just playing diplomat, McKnight will probably start getting plenty of touches when LT retires/leaves.

The Jets coaches are the only ones who have the benefit of seeing both of them up close side-by-side. They are the most qualified to make the statement. Obviously they thought McKnight would be a better NFL player, or they would've tried to keep Woodhead.

The only thing we can say right now is that Woodhead is off to a better start and he is also in a much better situation. It would be hard for a RB to fail in our offense. I'm sure McKnight would look great if he was lining up behind Brady, too.
 
What the hell does that mean??????

PLAYERS win Super Bowls. CEILINGS never won anything.

Dude, you live on a different planet.

same fans that were having orgasms over Gholston.
 
That's right, BJGE is nothing special, otherwise the Pats don't extend Woodhead, and go out and draft 2 more RB's. BJGE is a solid RB, nothing more, he's limited in the passing game, which is the Patriots staple on offense, nothing stands out about him, not incredibly fast, just a good solid RB, who provides good effort and a good day of work.

27 for 136, 2 TD's. Never fumbled in 4 years!

Want to wipe that stuff off your chin?
 
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The NFL is rife with players that everyone and their sister had crowned as the next greatest X (WR, CB, QB, RB etc)

But how many of these players with "high ceilings" do we see go either bust every year -or who end up in the end just giving an average showing on the field.

In other words, how many countless players never live up to their potential (read ceiling)?

Take a bet on McKnight, fine. Woodhead however, was proven money.

If you can't find a use for a healthy Woodhead on your team (Special Teams, Third Down Back etc) then you need to rethink your priorities as a coach.
 
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