Report: surgery for Gronk

[XLIX]

No.

He should not have even been in the stadium Sunday, first of all.

This is a guy with an exceptionally long injury history. They knew Gronkowski's injury history. They should have rested him to get him closer to 100% for the playoff stretch drive. They won this game without him and with a 60% Brady (another issue altogether - a 100% Garropolo would have made this game an easier win for the Pats).

Tom Brady was 30-50, 286 yards, 2 TD's, no INT's. That is more completions, attempts and yards than Garoppolo has had in any game in his brief career.

To think Garoppolo could just step in and outperform Brady (you know, the greatest QB of all time) so thoroughly as to make this "an easier win" is foolish.

 

[XLIX]

Really hate this "he shouldn't have been out there" hindsight stuff.

This this this. Last week we had indication the Brady was injured, Edelman, Gronk, Bennett (among others) too. No one is saying all those players should have rested. They're just looking at the one guy who was hurt and saying he shouldn't have played.

It is simply 20/20 hindsight.

 

[shmessy]

Why two years ago? I'll take Bennett playing the way he did at the beginning of the season before he got hurt.

That's the saving grace here.

The additions of Bennett, Hogan and Mitchell - along with a healthy Dion Lewis, makes the possibilities of winning the SB this year without Gronkowski real possibilities.

 

[XLIX]

I love that we have Bennett, but man I would sure feel better about all this if we also had Hoomanawanui.

(Yes I know he is done for the year so I am not speaking literally, I just mean the type of player who would be a great guy to help fill in as #2 TE now that Bennett is #1)

 

[Bill Lee]

Tom Brady was 30-50, 286 yards, 2 TD's, no INT's. That is more completions, attempts and yards than Garoppolo has had in any game in his brief career.

To think Garoppolo could just step in and outperform Brady (you know, the greatest QB of all time) so thoroughly as to make this "an easier win" is foolish.

Yet we have BB's comments about how JG runs the whole offense, plugs in "seamlessly"...

Perhaps we should avoid taking this thread off-topic, eh?

 

[shmessy]

Tom Brady was 30-50, 286 yards, 2 TD's, no INT's. That is more completions, attempts and yards than Garoppolo has had in any game in his brief career.

To think Garoppolo could just step in and outperform Brady (you know, the greatest QB of all time) so thoroughly as to make this "an easier win" is foolish.

100% in agreement. Garropolo cannot outperform the GOAT when healthy.

I don't want to see Garropolo in there instead of a healthy Brady either.

Brady's performance was perfectly fine, I find no fault with his B+ performance that day.

However, performance on one particular play was terrible - the Blount broken run - and if Sheldon Richardson had not all of a sudden decided he wanted to get a Nobel Peace Prize, Brady's career would have been over right then and there.

They got very lucky on that. Brady couldn't move well at all and he was a sitting duck in the middle of that because of his knee.

I prefer not to see Garropolo taking snaps instead of Brady in the playoffs more than against the 3-7 Jets who couldn't score more than 17 points against our shaky D..

We should retire Sheldon Richardson's jersey at Gillette in a few years out of appreciation.

 

[shmessy]

I love that we have Bennett, but man I would sure feel better about all this if we also had Hoomanawanui.

(Yes I know he is done for the year so I am not speaking literally, I just mean the type of player who would be a great guy to help fill in as #2 TE now that Bennett is #1)

Lengel is 6'7" 265 and had been groomed primarily to be a blocking TE in Cinci to offset Eifert. Obviously, that didn't work out. He's definitely a different build than a Derby or Aaron Hernandez.

 

[Dorito Dink]

Holding out slim hope that he can be back for the AFCCG or Super Bowl but it sounds like he's done. Luckily, I feel much more confident in the offensive personnel this year than I did in any other year that Gronk has gone down. Next man strategy in full effect now but I think they're up for the challenge.

The key will be to preserve Bennett's health. With a healthy Bennett, the offensive dropoff, both from receiving and blocking, is not as drastic.

I would like to see them bolster the TE depth if they can - what the hell ever happened with Reece? He was trying out for all of those teams but never signed. Get him in here stat

 

[shmessy]

I would like to see them bolster the TE depth if they can - what the hell ever happened with Reece? He was trying out for all of those teams but never signed. Get him in here stat

Now THAT makes too much sense. But isn't he really is more of a Develin type than a line blocking TE? Don't think he replaces a Gronk - - but he sure would add a more offensive-type HB to complement Develin.

I think of Reece as more of a Keith Byars than a Develin. Might be a good extra complement.

Also, Sudfeld is out there too and knows the offense.

 

[luuked]

Also, Sudfeld is out there too and knows the offense.

lol..

Reece is more intriguing just as a general weapon on offense.

 

[aluminum seats]

I understand that.

However, there is also coaching staff judgement. Was he 100%? or even close. Was THIS game more important than the stretch drive or playoffs.

Don't you see, Belichick made the decision so it must be right.

 

[shmessy]

lol..

Reece is more intriguing just as a general weapon on offense.

I agree, but knowing the playbook - - especially at TE/HB is pretty crucial. Those guys aren't one note specialists, they have to be hybrids and know the scheme to a T.

That may level the comparison between Reece/Sudfeld.

 

[XLIX]

However, performance on one particular play was terrible - the Blount broken run - and if Sheldon Richardson had not all of a sudden decided he wanted to get a Nobel Peace Prize, Brady's career would have been over right then and there.

Ya that play gave me a heart attack as I was watching it. I swear the whole thing unfolded in slow motion and I was bracing myself for the worst.

It's not so much that it was a bad play as much as it was a situation that Brady should not put himself in. After a handoff, he should just drift back into the backfield. I'd rather take the 3 yard loss than see Brady serving as a makeshift lead blocker.

 

[XLIX]

Holding out slim hope that he can be back for the AFCCG or Super Bowl but it sounds like he's done.

Ya it sounds like he is done for the year, but I will definitely be holding out hope if they don't IR him by Sunday.

 

[shmessy]

Ya that play gave me a heart attack as I was watching it. I swear the whole thing unfolded in slow motion and I was bracing myself for the worst.

It's not so much that it was a bad play as much as it was a situation that Brady should not put himself in. After a handoff, he should just drift back into the backfield. I'd rather take the 3 yard loss than see Brady serving as a makeshift lead blocker.

1) There was nothing wrong with the play

2) Brady didn't 'put himself in that situation'

3) It's football. He should not have BEEN put in that situation. He was a sitting duck. He has spent the last 3 years putting thousand of hours of free time, on a rubber leash to help him with lateral movement becuase he knew that lack of movement would destroy his career. Everything he worked on the past 3 years to save his career he could not use in the game last week. Brady on healthy knees would have been able to get out of there quicker.

 

[SVN]

 

[QuantumMechanic]

2) Brady didn't 'put himself in that situation'

When Blount reversed field and came back towards Brady, Brady could have chosen to drift backwards out of the play. Instead, he got it into his head for some reason to be a lead "blocker". He absolutely put himself in that situation.

 

[blackglass3]

Football players play football. I am in shock by how many people on this board don't get that.

 

[Jackson 2]

Thank you!

 

[shmessy]

When Blount reversed field and came back towards Brady, Brady could have chosen to drift backwards out of the play. Instead, he got it into his head for some reason to be a lead "blocker". He absolutely put himself in that situation.

"Brady could have chosen to drift backwards out of the play." Drift backwards????

Knee.

Mobility.

He didn't put himself in the game. That is a coaching decision.

You may agree with that coaching decision and that's fine.

But Brady could not move out of the way as he would a weeks earlier in San Francisco where his mobility in and out of the pocket was far better. He was exceptionally vulnerable and we should all thank Richardson for not ending his career right there.