Report: Patriots working to trade Matt Judon to Atlanta (Update: Deal is done)

[Dec54]

And we just traded away his best role model on the field.

Says who?

 

[Clonamery]

Says who?

@n1997y says so, duh.

 

[Ring 6]

Practice. When he’s not running for his life from a jailbreak through the mediocre OL, so he can actually focus on learning and improving.

He practice (with the 1s) if he plays too.

 

[Clonamery]

That depends on the pick. The NYFL HOF is chock full of players drafted in the 3rd round and later.

Several people were saying nothing less than a 2nd.

 

[1960Pats]

It's tough. 8 of the last SBs were won by surefire 1st ballot HoF QBs. 1 was because a coach decided to not start one of their starting CBs, and the other basically put all their chips on Double 0 multiple times in the draft (after hitting on a HoF DL and one of the best WRs in the game). If you look even further back another 11 seasons, it's all HoF QBs or borderline (... and Flacco). Everyone else are perennial losers in purgatory. For example, the Bills are really not much better off recently than the Steelers - the last AFCCG was 4 seasons ago, and that's their only one in the last 30 years!

Sounds like the recipe for another SB win is either, 1) get another Hof QB or borderline or 2) Get really lucky and catch lightning in a bottle (drafting exceptionally well, being lucky with almost everything, etc).

The winning teams have one thing in common... talented players. It doesn't matter if you have an average HC. You can still win if you have good players. The opposite is not true though. Even the greatest HC in the world isn't winning without talented players.

The QB position has always been important but it seems more important now that the rules favor the passing offense. I'm a run game and defense fan mostly but Brady changed that.

 

[1960Pats]

Why would they want to come here?

They would not be happy watching the team trade away the best player on defense.

Imagine how they'd feel if the Pats had the GOAT QB and let him walk away.

 

[Rob0729]

Why assume it will take multiple years to turn this team around?

The 2000 Pats went 5-11 then started 0-2 before their 100mil highest paid player in NFL history got injured. They then went on to win the superbowl.

Not extending Judon is a loser mentality. The Pats had the cap space to keep him, but instead they are playing to lose the next few seasons. That's a very sad state of mind.

You cannot compare this team to the 2001 Patriots. It was a different NFL. And even then, the Pats did something unique. If you are hoping for the Patriots to redo what happened in 2001, you are living in a fantasy world. Those days are gone.

Trading away Judon shows a commitment to the future and not just trying to be average right now.

 

[1960Pats]

Vrabel got pushed out by Joey Porter. Judon was a solid player and starter on the Ravens. Van Noy, Ninko and Vrabel are the best examples of not doing much on their former teams.

While the record says they were trending downward, they had an explanation for it. They let one of the best RB's go after Pete's first year as HC. Then their first round pick suffers a career ending injury. The team had a ton of injuries and Adam V misses multiple kicks during the 1999 season that would've given them a 10-6 record at worst.

In 2001, Bill was installing his system and brought aging vets over to kick start it, but their intention was not to be competing for a Super Bowl run. I think they were regarded around the league as the worst roster in the NFL in 2001.

Something must have happened in 2001 that turned Bill into a genius HC. I wonder what it was.

 

[Salsalife]

Now that this is done release some of the players not making the team and bring in a ton of offensive lineman off the street. Open tryouts begin for the Left Tackle position NOW!

 

[Rob0729]

It's tough. 8 of the last SBs were won by surefire 1st ballot HoF QBs. 1 was because a coach decided to not start one of their starting CBs, and the other basically put all their chips on Double 0 multiple times in the draft (after hitting on a HoF DL and one of the best WRs in the game). If you look even further back another 11 seasons, it's all HoF QBs or borderline (... and Flacco). Everyone else are perennial losers in purgatory. For example, the Bills are really not much better off recently than the Steelers - the last AFCCG was 4 seasons ago, and that's their only one in the last 30 years!

Sounds like the recipe for another SB win is either, 1) get another Hof QB or borderline or 2) Get really lucky and catch lightning in a bottle (drafting exceptionally well, being lucky with almost everything, etc).

The Bills are not anything like the Steelers. The Bills have had several opportunities to have Super Bowl seasons in recent years and due to bad luck or bad decisions or bad mistakes they have haven’t. There were several years where they were arguably a better team than the team that won the Super Bowl.

The Steelers have no shot of winning a Super Bowl. They are playing for a wild card every year and then getting outclassed in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[1960Pats]

Several people were saying nothing less than a 2nd.

There were plenty of fans who didn't think we'd get a 3rd for him.

The player that they draft with the pick will determine if it was worth it.

 

[Clonamery]

Now that this is done release some of the players not making the team and bring in a ton of offensive lineman off the street. Open tryouts begin for the Left Tackle position NOW!

That sounds very productive.

 

[Clonamery]

There were plenty of fans who didn't think we'd get a 3rd for him.

The player that they draft with the pick will determine if it was worth it.

Duh.

 

[Rob0729]

Why would they want to come here?

They would not be happy watching the team trade away the best player on defense.

If the Pats got Aiyuk, they might not have traded away Judon. Aiyuk would have sped up the rebuild a bit.

But again, the Patriots are trying to build for a contender in the future. Not to be the 15th best team this year. For free agents might not be attractive, but if they continue to put pieces in place it will become one.

This time last year, no free agent would want to go to the Texans. They were a joke. But Caserio had been putting pieces into place to make them a contender and when he finally got his QB, the team is now an up and coming team. Now they are a destination where players want to play.

 

[1960Pats]

The Bills are not anything like the Steelers. The Bills have had several opportunities to have Super Bowl seasons in recent years and due to bad luck or bad decisions or bad mistakes they have haven’t. There were several years where they were arguably a better team than the team that won the Super Bowl.

The Steelers have no shot of winning a Super Bowl. They are playing for a wild card every year and then getting outclassed in the first round of the playoffs.

The Steelers had a chance when they had Big ben at QB but he was around at the same time as Brady, so no luck there.

I'm an AFL guy all the way and I never rooted so hard for another team as I did in the 90's for the Bills when they went to 4 straight SBs. Those 4 losses were losses 7-10 of a 13 game run by the NFC. The Pats were #13 in 96.

 

[gobesmug]

You cannot compare this team to the 2001 Patriots. It was a different NFL. And even then, the Pats did something unique. If you are hoping for the Patriots to redo what happened in 2001, you are living in a fantasy world. Those days are gone.

Trading away Judon shows a commitment to the future and not just trying to be average right now.

Im not comparing, I'm giving an example.

The Chiefs went 7-9 then 2-14 before signing Andy Reid. With Reid the Chiefs went 11-5 their first year and haven't had a losing season once.

Trading away an established vet is something you do for cap saving reasons. What cap savings do the Pats need?

 

[Rob0729]

The Steelers had a chance when they had Big ben at QB but he was around at the same time as Brady, so no luck there.

I'm an AFL guy all the way and I never rooted so hard for another team as I did in the 90's for the Bills when they went to 4 straight SBs. Those 4 losses were losses 7-10 of a 13 game run by the NFC. The Pats were #13 in 96.

I am talking about the Steelers of today that seem content to be fighting for a wild card spot and a quick out in the playoffs.

 

[Froob]

Im not comparing, I'm giving an example.

The Chiefs went 7-9 then 2-14 before signing Andy Reid. With Reid the Chiefs went 11-5 their first year and haven't had a losing season once.

Trading away an established vet is something you do for cap saving reasons. What cap savings do the Pats need?

We just got a potential top 70 pick for a guy that may have two good years left lol.

 

[Rob0729]

Im not comparing, I'm giving an example.

The Chiefs went 7-9 then 2-14 before signing Andy Reid. With Reid the Chiefs went 11-5 their first year and haven't had a losing season once.

Trading away an established vet is something you do for cap saving reasons. What cap savings do the Pats need?

The Chiefs had a lot of talent from years of sucking. And Reid is offensive genius.

And they didn’t trade away Judon for cap saving reasons. The guy is 32 years old. This team is not doing anything this year with or without him. So he will be at least 33 before the Pats will be good again. And he is coming off a major injury. He may be a shell of himself this year.

Stop acting like Judon is 28 and they got rid of a guy rid of a guy in his prime because they didn’t want to pay him. They traded an older veteran likely in the last few years of his career. Yes, he is a great player (or he was before. His injury last year), but he is a short term solution not a long term one. If he was 28, he would have gotten a new deal.

 

[Clonamery]

We just got a potential top 70 pick for a guy that may have two good years left lol.

May, might, could, yeah. But at least you knew the production with Judon. Anyway, c'est la vie, guess you can't wait for Day 2 of next year's draft.