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  1. TomPatriot

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    Maybe, but Steve Belichick coaches the safeties. I'm not sure that was really an area of concern. Increasing Joe Judge's responsibilities by making him both the ST and WR coach might have been a problem.
     
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    Lots of good points but the problem is you are making assumptions. You don't know how much of the game he actually called/planned as DC and you don't actually know that he's not qualified. You are assuming because it helps your point. It is very possible you are right, but it's also possible you are way off.
     
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    Are we forgetting the elephant in the room that is Houston?

    Is there no chance Bill OB gets canned after yesterday?
     
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    Tennessee's defense did a good job forcing the Ravens to rely more on the pass but even then they still moved the ball. Also don't forget that a big component of what makes Jackson effective in the RPO is Ingram, who was hobbled. Again, I think this game spun on the turnovers and fourth-down stops more than any ill-advised tactical changeup by Roman.
     
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    The odds are low that the someone with BB's DNA would be good at coaching football? M'kay......

    BB became DC of the Giants by the time he was 33. Stephen is 32.

    The Pats were #1 in total defense as well as scoring defense.
     
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    That was a complete shltshow yesterday. BoB coached like he was in over his head.
     
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    My thoughts exactly. That debacle has gotta hurt. BOB out & Josh in? Could actually happen, but odds are against.
     
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    BOB has a timing/feel of the game issue and I don't think he can learn it. Hes had years to on his own and from BB and he just can't figure it out.

    Let's start with the premise going into the game he had a lack of confidence in his defense and they needed to score > 30+ points to win the game.

    They go up 21-0. Great.

    So what does he do? 4th and a couple of feet he kicks a FG.

    If we believe the initial assumption, he went away from his game plan and played passive.

    I didn't have a problem with the 4th & 1 call last week vs BUF. He was trying to close out the game.

    I understood the 4th down fake punt (bad execution) but if we go by his original game plan (no punting, constant attack) I get it. I would have punted as up to that point his D had some success and also the momentum had shifted. Give KC a long field and let the D redeem themselves but whatever.

    Just too inconsistent in his logic and rationale. Can't win Super Bowls with that kind of a coach.
     
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    I'm sure he's good at coaching football. I certainly didn't infer he wasn't, nor did I say anything about what the job responsibilities are.

    The issue is one of quality assurance. When there's a coaching opening (any opening, really) the organization has the option of searching the world for the best qualified and most capable candidate. Nepotism cuts that process short, which (just based on the odds) almost always means the organization is getting a lesser employee in the end.
     
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    He goes for it in his own red zone on fourth down, but not in the opponents? o_O:confused:
     
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    Doctor DDS Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    A lot of football jobs are initially given due to connections. Should BB have not hired Troy Brown of Jerod Mayo due to their prior relationship? They had not proven anything as coaches? His son grew up in a coaching family and probably knows how BB thinks as well if not better than anyone. He started at the bottom and based on what we know about BB it seems fair to assume that Steve was required to earn every promotion he's been given. It is certainly possible that some coaches think it is unfair or he did not earn his position but we've yet to hear those rumors. I doubt he will secede BB and expect he will leave the team for a job elsewhere at some point. Football is ultimately about results so if he fails he will pay the price.

    Kyle Shanahan was OC for his Dad and that seemed to work out OK.
     
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    Totally asinine.
     
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    The fact he was initially going to punt on a 4th and 4 around the KC 42 down 17 in the 4th says it all. Had to call a timeout when he realized how stupid he was.
     
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    This illustrates the problem with going for it on 4th down, even if it is the right move. If your team doesn't execute, suddenly you're the reason they lost. On the other hand, if you punt and your team loses, very very rarely will you be blamed. So coaches have a perverse incentive to do the wrong thing because it is safe.
     
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    Except that it's not the wrong thing, which is the whole point.
     
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    I found this interesting, and I think it would actually be a case of the Browns making a good decision:

    Report: Wade Phillips a candidate for Browns’ defensive coordinator


    If I were a Browns fan, I'd be more excited about Phillips as my DC than about Stefanski as my HC.
     
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    This ownership situation feels like if NEM from back in the day was rich enough to buy an NFL franchise.
     
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    why would Wade leave LA? To live in @&$#%*@&$ Cleveland? o_O

    EDIT: I didn’t see that the Rams fired Wade. WTF?
     
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