Reemergence of Liberation Theology in the Catholic Church...

[DarrylS]

Is the Catholic Church turning back the hands of time, to revisit a bygone era??

With the election of a pope from South America to make this possible. I suspect cardinals and bishops from poor countries all over the world have supported the tenets liberation theology, but until now they were afraid of stating such support for fear of backlash from Rome. In the past this has largely been looked down upon by the Vatican...

L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's official newspaper, devoted its centre spread to defending the virtues of liberation theology, which had been anathema since the Cold War.

"With a Latin American Pope, liberation theology could not remain for long in the shadows to which it has been relegated for some years, at least in Europe," wrote Ugo Sartorio, a priest and editor of a Catholic magazine.

Father Sartorio even argued in his piece yesterday that, while serving as archbishop of Buenos Aires, the Pope had been an exponent of the Argentine version of liberation theology.

For decades, liberation theologians in Latin America, deeply critical of the church hierarchy's ties to military dictatorships, were denounced as Marxist by the vehemently anti-communist Polish pope, John Paul II.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Is the Catholic Church turning back the hands of time, to revisit a bygone era??

With the election of a pope from South America to make this possible. I suspect cardinals and bishops from poor countries all over the world have supported the tenets liberation theology, but until now they were afraid of stating such support for fear of backlash from Rome. In the past this has largely been looked down upon by the Vatican...

More rewriting of history by Progressives...what else is new?

The church has always been....and will always be...."top down".

To see otherwise, is to misunderstand church history while trying to insert a political agenda into church affairs.

The church has always had a love of the truly poor, but not to the exclusion of justice.


2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.


Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 7

 

[DarrylS]

More rewriting of history by Progressives...what else is new?

The church has always been....and will always be...."top down".

To see otherwise, is to misunderstand church history while trying to insert a political agenda into church affairs.

The church has always had a love of the truly poor, but not to the exclusion of justice.
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Do the "truly poor" have to show income verification and survive background checks for help?? Or does the giver have discretion to make the decision all by themselves??

Wonder if in his travels if Pope Francis had much contact with Paulo Freire or perhaps he was influenced by him??

Catholics adhering to a liberation theology should orient themselves toward action against oppression. More symbolically, liberation theology argues that God identifies with the oppressed, and that Christianity should take upon itself how the poor view the world. Sometimes liberation theology can be derided as "Marxist" by conservatives...

“the poor person does not exist as an inescapable fact of destiny. His or her existence is not politically neutral, and it is not ethically innocent. The poor are a by-product of the system in which we live and for which we are responsible. They are marginalized by our social and cultural world. They are the oppressed, exploited proletariat, robbed of the fruit of their labor and despoiled of their humanity. Hence the poverty of the poor is not a call to generous relief action, but a demand that we go and build a different social order.”
― Gustavo Gutiérrez

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Do the "truly poor" have to show income verification and survive background checks for help?? Or does the giver have discretion to make the decision all by themselves??

Wonder if in his travels if Pope Francis had much contact with Paulo Freire or perhaps he was influenced by him??

Catholics adhering to a liberation theology should orient themselves toward action against oppression. More symbolically, liberation theology argues that God identifies with the oppressed, and that Christianity should take upon itself how the poor view the world. Sometimes liberation theology can be derided as "Marxist" by conservatives...

I think the giver has a responsibility to make sure that the "truly poor" are getting help otherwise the "truly poor" will suffer.

BTW, thanks for the lecture on Liberation Theology....up until this point, I had no idea what it was about.

The problem with "identifying" with the poor when it comes to theology is that this "identification" is code for a Progressive/Marxist agenda. There's a reason that many Marxist groups are drawn to Liberation Theology.

Catholicism is not a religion of perspective but rather a religion of revelation. We, as Catholics, don't come to our faith through the knowledge of men but rather through a gift from God. The only perspective that matters is God's perspective and we have that perspective already as taught by the Magisterium and the Magisterium is quite clear that we need to take care of the truly poor.

 

[DarrylS]

I think the giver has a responsibility to make sure that the "truly poor" are getting help otherwise the "truly poor" will suffer.

BTW, thanks for the lecture on Liberation Theology....up until this point, I had no idea what it was about.

The problem with "identifying" with the poor when it comes to theology is that this "identification" is code for a Progressive/Marxist agenda. There's a reason that many Marxist groups are drawn to Liberation Theology.
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How do you do that?? Ask for last year's W-2 forms..

I assumed that as you rely heavily on the blue book, you might need some education... you do not seem to know much else.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

How do you do that?? Ask for last year's W-2 forms..

I assumed that as you rely heavily on the blue book, you might need some education... you do not seem to know much else.

By listening......by observing. That's why charity should be personalized.

For instance, if you're serving in a "bread" line and someone drives up in their Mercedes (older model in all fairness) to pick up their day's food, that's a sign that person isn't the "truly poor". Or....if someone pedals up to your breadline on their bike with their $200 Nikes, Dr. Dre headphones, and an I-phone, that's a clear sign that they aren't the "truly poor". Or....if you're in a bread line and someone asks if you have change for a $100 bill, that is a sure sign that someone is not the "truly poor". Or.....if someone stumbles up to your bread line after partying all night drinking booze and doing drugs that's a sure sign that they aren't the "truly poor". Or......if you happen to overhear in your bread line a conversation between two "clients" who talk about their plans to go down to Newport for the weekend because tourists give them more money, that is a sure sign that they aren't the "truly poor". Or.....if someone takes the lunch that you made for them and literally throws it back at you because they don't like bread end pieces, that is a sure sign that they aren't the "truly poor".

And yes, all of this is true. American "poverty" is highly preventable. Most American "poverty" is caused by bad habits and bad choices. That's why I am highly skeptical of American based charities and give most of my charitable donations to overseas causes.

 

[DarrylS]

By listening......by observing. That's why charity should be personalized.

For instance, if you're serving in a "bread" line and someone drives up in their Mercedes (older model in all fairness) to pick up their day's food, that's a sign that person isn't the "truly poor". Or....if someone pedals up to your breadline on their bike with their $200 Nikes, Dr. Dre headphones, and an I-phone, that's a clear sign that they aren't the "truly poor". Or....if you're in a bread line and someone asks if you have change for a $100 bill, that is a sure sign that someone is not the "truly poor". Or.....if someone stumbles up to your bread line after partying all night drinking booze and doing drugs that's a sure sign that they aren't the "truly poor". Or......if you happen to overhear in your bread line a conversation between two "clients" who talk about their plans to go down to Newport for the weekend because tourists give them more money, that is a sure sign that they aren't the "truly poor". Or.....if someone takes the lunch that you made for them and literally throws it back at you because they don't like bread end pieces, that is a sure sign that they aren't the "truly poor".

And yes, all of this is true. American "poverty" is highly preventable. Most American "poverty" is caused by bad habits and bad choices. That's why I am highly skeptical of American based charities and give most of my charitable donations to overseas causes.

People are always driving up to a bread line in a Mercedes.. it happens all of the time..

You live in a warped fantasy world, that is laced with anecdotal evidence or based on it might happen rather than the reality.... the exception becomes the rule for you.

Having spent a lot of time in Newport, do not ever recall seeing a panhandler... sure they are there, but they are not obvious.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

People are always driving up to a bread line in a Mercedes.. it happens all of the time..

You live in a warped fantasy world, that is laced with anecdotal evidence or based on it might happen rather than the reality.... the exception becomes the rule for you.

Having spent a lot of time in Newport, do not ever recall seeing a panhandler... sure they are there, but they are not obvious.

Once more, your "go to" line when you have nothing of value to add to any conversation.

My experiences are not "exceptions"......I have 5 years experience working with the homeless. That's 5 years.....just about every week. I've served thousands of homeless people.

So the experiences I've detailed are not "exceptions"......they are the rule.

The only "prejudice" I had towards the homeless in America before I started serving them was that they were mostly people going through a hard time and who were down on their luck.
My experiences have taught me differently. I know better now. I know that my former prejudices were not the truth.

Most of the homeless in America became homeless because of bad choices and they stay homeless because of continued bad choices. I saw many of the same "clients" year after year after year.

I would never give money again to a homeless charity or a homeless person unless I personally knew the person and their situation. If you want to buy drugs and alcohol with your money, then by all means, give it to a homeless person.

 

[DarrylS]

Once more, your "go to" line when you have nothing of value to add to any conversation.

My experiences are not "exceptions"......I have 5 years experience working with the homeless. That's 5 years.....just about every week. I've served thousands of homeless people.

So the experiences I've detailed are not "exceptions"......they are the rule.

The only "prejudice" I had towards the homeless in America before I started serving them was that they were mostly people going through a hard time and who were down on their luck.
My experiences have taught me differently. I know better now. I know that my former prejudices were not the truth.

Most of the homeless in America became homeless because of bad choices and they stay homeless because of continued bad choices. I saw many of the same "clients" year after year after year.

I would never give money again to a homeless charity or a homeless person unless I personally knew the person and their situation. If you want to buy drugs and alcohol with your money, then by all means, give it to a homeless person.

5 years working in a soup kitchen once a week, hardly qualifies as "working with the homeless".. unless you lied previously..

Working with the homeless implies much more than that...

 

[RI Patriots fan]

5 years working in a soup kitchen once a week, hardly qualifies as "working with the homeless".. unless you lied previously..

Working with the homeless implies much more than that...

No, it doesn't....lol. I never said that my job was to serve the homeless. I have made it clear in other posts that it was volunteer based from my church in Providence.

But whatever, you have nothing so of course you need to create a smoke screen.

BTW, you try getting up at 5am on Sunday mornings to go serve the homeless for 200+ Sundays (especially when its cold and snowing since we did it outside). Then you can tell me that you actually know what you're talking about.

 

[Harry Boy]

In The Name Of Religion:

Roman Catholic Priest Injured in Zanzibar Acid Attack

 

[PatsFanInVa]

As we're all aware, Francis has criticized the world economic system that places money, not men and women, at its center. Very much in touch w/the Liberation Theology viewpoint, IMO. What we're getting right now is a good dose of "Yanno, not everybody's driving home in his SUV to his suburban cul-de-sac, and worrying about other people's sex lives. Some people have to get the next meal, jerks."

Long time coming. It should be the on-the-ground message of all the religions.

PFnV

 

[RI Patriots fan]

As we're all aware, Francis has criticized the world economic system that places money, not men and women, at its center. Very much in touch w/the Liberation Theology viewpoint, IMO. What we're getting right now is a good dose of "Yanno, not everybody's driving home in his SUV to his suburban cul-de-sac, and worrying about other people's sex lives. Some people have to get the next meal, jerks."

Long time coming. It should be the on-the-ground message of all the religions.

PFnV

That's not what he's saying at all. Not even close.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Also known as "social justice" - pretty much all of the non-KJV bibles come from the Vatican. The KJV texts come from Antioch, while the other non-KJV perversion texts come from Alexandria(Egypt), which was found in a trash bin by the Vatican in the late 1800's, and used by Wescott and Hort(2 high level occultists) to plant the seeds for all of the modern-day leavened bibles like the NIV, NASB, NKJV, NLT, The Living Bible, The Message, etc.

Here's proof the other non-KJV bibles preach liberation theology/social justice...

KJB
1Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.


NIV
1 Timothy 6:17-19

17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.
18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.
19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Also known as "social justice" - pretty much all of the non-KJV bibles come from the Vatican. The KJV texts come from Antioch, while the other non-KJV perversion texts come from Alexandria(Egypt), which was found in a trash bin by the Vatican in the late 1800's, and used by Wescott and Hort(2 high level occultists) to plant the seeds for all of the modern-day leavened bibles like the NIV, NASB, NKJV, NLT, The Living Bible, The Message, etc.

Here's proof the other non-KJV bibles preach liberation theology/social justice...

KJB
1Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.


NIV
1 Timothy 6:17-19

17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.
18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.
19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

Actually you might want to take a little closer look at where your KJV came from...originally and what it actually contained. I think you'll find (with just a little reserach) that the original KJV is much closer to Catholic Bibles than the KJV "Bible" (because you only have the NT and part of the OT) that you have today.


The Pilgrims' Regress - The Geneva Bible And The "Apocrypha"

The REAL 1611 King James Version

Changes in the King James version

sceti | furness | King James Bible (editio princeps, 1611): Page C1v

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Here are some more lies from the other perversions...


KJB
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


NIV
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


The NIV translation is a LIE b/c ************ is NOT his "one and only Son", why? B/c for those that believeth in his name, we TOO are sons of God.


KJB
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


As for resources that attack the KJB, be careful which ones you read - even some of the "discernment" ministries are going all out attacking it.

Here are some good resources...

Why Christians Should Use the King James Bible
Why Christians Should Use the King James Bible | Christian Assemblies International

Gail Ripplinger - New Age Bible Versions presentation at the Prophecy Club
prophecy club new age bible versions gail riplinger full length - YouTube

Director of Planned Parenthood in 1960's ADMITS conspiracy to RE-WRITE the bible and infiltrate churches with it!
New Bible Version Conspiracy - YouTube

New Age Bible Versions: An Exhaustive Documentation of the Message, Men & Manuscripts Moving Mankind to the Antichrist's One World Religion
New Age Bible Versions: An Exhaustive Documentation of the Message, Men & Manuscripts Moving Mankind to the Antichrist's One World Religion: G. A. Riplinger: 9780963584502: Amazon.com: Books

Virginia Mollenkott(from the NIV translation team) testified, My lesbianism has always been a part of me
-Virginia Mollenkott is a lesbian-

The only changes in the KJB were due to SPELLING errors, b/c the invention of the printing press was new at the time.
http://www.kjvonly.org/rick/norris_spelling.htm

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Reagan_myth-early.html