Reading the Tea Leaves on Mayo and Wolf (Personal Speculation)

[Brotherblues]

Harsh, but you’re certainly not wrong. I’d be shocked if the Krafts relieved him of his duties because that would cost them money.

Mayo had years to watch BB. He could have gone elsewhere to learn the coaching craft. He didn’t. He took the money and stayed. That’s on him.

Forget the roster and the media bs. I look at the in game decisions, game plans, player development, execution, culture and so on. I can’t point to one thing Mayo has done well.

Agree on everything but I'm very much against downplaying what he says as meaningless "media bs." What a man says reveals a lot about himself. Mayo has revealed plenty about himself, and it's a pretty complete image of incompetence, which goes deeper and further back than this year's coaching job.

 

[Triumph]

Mayo is not going anywhere.

Wolfe is not going anywhere.

Both are controlled by the top person - Thunder Kraft.

 

[mgcolby]

Regards to Wolf....if he is gone here are some folks I would like to see here. Obviously this is not an exhausted list.

George Kokinis Baltimore (1)
Brian Baine Buffalo (2)
Ray Agnew Detroit (3)
John Spytek Tampa (4)
Will Mclay Dallas (pipe dream)

 

[sportnik]

Breer thinks Mayo is staying ugh.

Then the 25 season is over before it started. Losing out on Vrabel is going to set this franchise back by 5 years & Drake Maye will almost certainly go down the Sam Darnold path and never hit his potential until he moves to a team with a real NFL coaching staff.

Kraft lucked into one of the great QB talents to hit the league in years and is throwing it all away because he liked how Mayo led a prayer group in Israel. Think about how insane this is. Declining mental facilities has to be playing a role in this. If the people around RKK care about him, they should not be letting him make any major decisions. Frauds & scammers like Mayo are going to take advantage of RKK’s failing mental state to drain him of every penny he is worth.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Time to throw the Mayo out and we are willing and Vrabel.
Will that catch on willing and Vrabel?
I love the idea of an offensive mastermind hc but but this team needs a kick in the mouth and some teeth knocked out and that’s Mike Vrabel.
I don’t know how the Moores, Kingsburys, Brady’s, Johnson’s are.

Vrabes would be the answer if they could admit they were wrong about Mayo. I'm not sure they want to admit they were wrong. Not in their DNA.
Johnson doesn't want to be a head coach. And if he wanted to, how do you know he would be a good one? OC and HC require way different skills. Vrabel has the skills to be a great head coach. It will go down as Krafts legacy that he failed to adequately replace Bill when the best replacement was right ****ing there.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Vrabes would be the answer if they could admit they were wrong about Mayo. I'm not sure they want to admit they were wrong. Not in their DNA.
Johnson doesn't want to be a head coach. And if he wanted to, how do you know he would be a good one? OC and HC require way different skills. Vrabel has the skills to be a great head coach. It will go down as Krafts legacy that he failed to adequately replace Bill when the best replacement was right ****ing there.

How does anyone know that Vrabel wants to coach the Patriots? People act like that’s a given, but Vrabel crapped all over Kraft on his way out of town to K.C. Has he said anything that gives people the idea he wants to work for Kraft?

 

[TomPatriot]

Agree on everything but I'm very much against downplaying what he says as meaningless "media bs." What a man says reveals a lot about himself. Mayo has revealed plenty about himself, and it's a pretty complete image of incompetence, which goes deeper and further back than this year's coaching job.

Actions speak louder than words. Media is often agenda driven in New England, just like everywhere else. There are a few exceptions, though.

What a head coach says to the media is about 380th on anyone’s list of important qualities. BB was smart to limit his answers and time. He learned that lesson the hard way. A head coach has better things to do.

 

[Ring 6]

Actions speak louder than words. Media is often agenda driven in New England, just like everywhere else. There are a few exceptions, though.

What a head coach says to the media is about 380th on anyone’s list of important qualities. BB was smart to limit his answers and time. He learned that lesson the hard way. A head coach has better things to do.

I think you are missing the point. It’s not that he says it to the media, it’s that because he does it gives us insight into his makeup, belief system and the culture he is building.
For example he has moved to adopting the concept that effort replaced results. He has harped on how people showing up is the best thing about this team. He goes out of his way to complement players who go out on the field and suck for the fact they tried.
This has filtered down to the coaches and players as they are saying it too.

Essentially this has become a we didn’t play well and keep losing but dint criticize us because we are trying culture.

Godchaux whose job is to stop the run complained that the fans booed when we lost 40-7 and gave up 180 rush yards and said the run d played well.
Is he a dope, or is that the culture Mayo has created?

Other players say teammates gave up and Mayo says they didn’t. Since when does a coach cover for players who give up?

It’s a dysfunctional mess, the media comments give us a window into it and how Mayo is responsible for it.

I’d love to see actions from him that speak louder but his actions tell the same story.

 

[Ross12]

How does anyone know that Vrabel wants to coach the Patriots? People act like that’s a given, but Vrabel crapped all over Kraft on his way out of town to K.C. Has he said anything that gives people the idea he wants to work for Kraft?

Tons of leaks, and how warm Vrabel was with Kraft in the owners box during his Pats HOF induction. That’s about all though

 

[TomPatriot]

I think you are missing the point. It’s not that he says it to the media, it’s that because he does it gives us insight into his makeup, belief system and the culture he is building.
For example he has moved to adopting the concept that effort replaced results. He has harped on how people showing up is the best thing about this team. He goes out of his way to complement players who go out on the field and suck for the fact they tried.
This has filtered down to the coaches and players as they are saying it too.

Essentially this has become a we didn’t play well and keep losing but dint criticize us because we are trying culture.

Godchaux whose job is to stop the run complained that the fans booed when we lost 40-7 and gave up 180 rush yards and said the run d played well.
Is he a dope, or is that the culture Mayo has created?

Other players say teammates gave up and Mayo says they didn’t. Since when does a coach cover for players who give up?

It’s a dysfunctional mess, the media comments give us a window into it and how Mayo is responsible for it.

I’d love to see actions from him that speak louder but his actions tell the same story.

He doesn’t need to say a word to the media for anyone with some football acumen to know he is doing a less than stellar job, even accounting for the poor roster. I don’t see a system, a good plan, a positive culture or much else. That’s not because he gave a dumb answer to Reiss or Perry.

 

[mgcolby]

Actions speak louder than words. Media is often agenda driven in New England, just like everywhere else. There are a few exceptions, though.

What a head coach says to the media is about 380th on anyone’s list of important qualities. BB was smart to limit his answers and time. He learned that lesson the hard way. A head coach has better things to do.

BS. In regards to giving relevant information sure. But the **** he says is detrimental to the locker room and organization over all.

This statement tells me you haven't been paying attention to what he says.

 

[NormZauchin]

If Kraft is sure he wants Mayo back, the time for him to throw his support behind him (that he will be coming back next season) is THIS week before Sunday's game. I suspect if he does not come out with a statement of support by Saturday it means that they are going to re-evaluate after Sunday's game.

Kraft could squash all the speculation with a statement reaffirming he will be coming back in 25 any day this week. If we hear nothing...it means he is not a sure thing to return,

In the many years in which I've followed the NFL, the owner giving the head coach a vote of confidence is often quickly followed by the owner firing the head coach.

 

[aluminum seats]

The best thing for the Pats would be to lose by 50 to Buffalo this week

 

[WhatJustHappened]

In the many years in which I've followed the NFL, the owner giving the head coach a vote of confidence is often quickly followed by the owner firing the head coach.

We can only hope.

 

[jdlboot14]

The sad axiom of aging leaders (Kraft, BB) - they get so set in their ways, and convince themselves that because they're still making decisions and/or money, that it means they're still operating at a level that produced the results that got them there.

Kraft will never bail on Mayo in 1 year, because it would prove he doesn't have the insight or intuition that he based his entire reputation on when hiring Mayo. Old billionaires are stubborn and egotistical to death.
And his misplaced loyalty & sentimentalism that ruined the end of the dynasty will cost his beloved franchise a couple more years of irrelevance and disaster.

 

[Love The Drake]

The sad axiom of aging leaders (Kraft, BB) - they get so set in their ways, and convince themselves that because they're still making decisions and/or money, that it means they're still operating at a level that produced the results that got them there.

Kraft will never bail on Mayo in 1 year, because it would prove he doesn't have the insight or intuition that he based his entire reputation on when hiring Mayo. Old billionaires are stubborn and egotistical to death.
And his misplaced loyalty & sentimentalism that ruined the end of the dynasty will cost his beloved franchise a couple more years of irrelevance and disaster.

Please don’t ever get a job working with depressed people.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Then the 25 season is over before it started. Losing out on Vrabel is going to set this franchise back by 5 years & Drake Maye will almost certainly go down the Sam Darnold path and never hit his potential until he moves to a team with a real NFL coaching staff.

Kraft lucked into one of the great QB talents to hit the league in years and is throwing it all away because he liked how Mayo led a prayer group in Israel. Think about how insane this is. Declining mental facilities has to be playing a role in this. If the people around RKK care about him, they should not be letting him make any major decisions. Frauds & scammers like Mayo are going to take advantage of RKK’s failing mental state to drain him of every penny he is worth.

Maybe Vrabel will be as good in his second stint as BB was in his, but I didn't see anything in TEN that makes me think we're setting the team back by 5 years for missing out on him. He had some success in the middle of his TEN tenure, but he didn't exactly leave them in a favorable spot. He had one good underdog playoff run and then followed it up with two strong regular seasons fueled by strong starts before they fell off in the second halves of the seasons and lost their first home playoff games. I'm not saying it was a colossal failure or anything, but

If you're talking about Maye's development specifically, he isn't an offensive coach and had to switch systems multiple times because of that. They got a few bridge years of Tannenhill but the bridge led to nowhere. Admittedly they aren't even a fraction of the prospects that Maye appears to be, but neither Levis nor Willis seemed to play well there. Small sample size, but Willis actually looked good leading GB to 2 wins this year. So there's actually some evidence that Vrabel might have been overseeing a bad environment for QB development that someone else did better when they got out of. So in your Sam Darnold comparison, Vrabel might very well be the bad Jets environment over the eutopia of MIN's great coaching that you're painting him as.

Vrabel had some success in TEN and his reported GM preference of Ryan Cowden was a part of TEN for some good years of player acquisition. If I had to choose between only Vrabel/Cowden and Mayo/Wolf then sure, give me Vrabel/Cowden. BUT, there are other candidates too and not sure Vrabel is someone I feel the need to jump at. Especially not since the primary objective will be developing Maye.

 

[Ring 6]

The best thing for the Pats would be to lose by 50 to Buffalo this week

Mitch Trubisky hanging a 50 burger on Mayos focused on nothing but beating the Bills squad ought to seal the deal.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I fear Kraft has decided to keep Mayo as the talking points out of the usual sources is to do with them not doing enough to help him and some more experience heads should come in.

Not getting rid of Mayo now and clearing house is going to be a catastrophic error. Instead what will happen is AVP will be axed. Mayo will be a lame duck head coach who can’t find a good coordinator to come in. Mayo will eventually get canned next year, giving Maye his 3rd OC in 3 years.

The reality is that if Mayo was on the market now he would not even get an interview for an HC job. We can all see he’s not suited to the role and cutting the cord now is the sensible decision to take.

I was just thinking about the worst possible thing that can happen and I think it’s if they let AVP go and let Mayo call the O. The sinking ship will have effectively sunk with a huge oil slick the size of the planet included. You think they’d have learned from not having contingency plans in place after the years of coach poaching we experienced but no. Someone has to sit Big and Little Thunder down and explain how they ****ed up in the past. Doesn’t seem like they’ve learned.

So you want to compound that by bringing another ****ty head coach in?

Outside of the few mentioned, it doesn’t seem like anyone else has an answer to WHO we could bring in. There has to be mutual interest. Fact is Mayo will be here next year which I can go along with. If it’s more of the same next year I’ll be one of the first to *****.

How does anyone know that Vrabel wants to coach the Patriots? People act like that’s a given, but Vrabel crapped all over Kraft on his way out of town to K.C. Has he said anything that gives people the idea he wants to work for Kraft?

Exactly this. Everyone assumes we can just hire anyone we want whether is a coach OR player. If they bring in someone else it needs to be someone outside of the organization and no retreads.

 

[RobertWeathers]

How do we know that the Defense would be better? The coordinators would be very important

Vrabel was a DC. I have confidence he knows what to do.