Quick Poll on the Aaron Hernandez Situation

[IllegalContact]

Just curious....what don't you like about Edelman?

He seems like a punk

 

[IllegalContact]

Yes, it is the point. I'm asking you about your opinion and whether or not it is something you've just decided to say.



How can you not like Edelman but take a wait and see attitude about Dennard? Edelman touched a girl's hand in a nightclub. Dennard was found guilty of a crime. Have I missed something else that Edelman has done or do you believe touching a girl's hand is assault?



And rather than sitting here pontificating as if you knew it all along can you honestly say you have ever stated your dislike of Hernandez on this or another forum prior to these events? Can you see how that looks like you are just using hindsight?

What's your point again? Hindsight? He's had issues before....... I don't like Talib, but have never said it until today.....there was no point to it......The original point to this disagreement was my statement that Goodell could suspend him even if he winds up not being charged or found not guilty or make him sit during the proceedings.

 

[Ring 6]

Admit it Andy, you are praying.

You are a tool. You introduced the stipulation of Hernandez being an innocent bystander not me. I have yet to make a single comment about what I think happened, will happen, or my feelings about Hernandez and his future here under any of those circumstances.

As I said before, I wish the whole thing never happened......too late for that

What happened? We still don't know.

Your repeated attempts to plug the complete innocence notion is merely a pipe dream....not sure why YOU keep bringing it up

One more time. Read slowly. My only reference to complete innocence is in response to your claim that he would be suspended if it turned out he is completely innocent just for being a part of the story.
Nowhere have I even implied that this is a realistic outcome.

Look at it this way. If you say that you can cash your welfare check and buy a new Ferrari for $100 and I respond that you cannot buy a new Ferrari for $100 that doesn't mean I endorse or dispute that you receive welfare checks.
You have turned this into me commenting on the political effectiveness of the welfare system.

But you know this, so just stop, its bringing down the thread and board.

 

[Ring 6]

Explain that to Ben roethlisberger

Where did I say anything about innocent bystander? Kind of obvious he is not that.......if he was a bystander and didn't call the cops, so much for that notion

Ben rothlisberger was not guilty by association and punished for being somewhere that something happened that he wasn't responsible for.
He was drunk in a bar banging college girls in the bathroom. That is consistent with the morals clause, whether the state feels there is evidence to convict or not.
Being guilty by association means you are associated with someone who committed a criminal act. Please cite the examples of players Goddell suspended for that.

 

[SB39]

Having the kid with Bridget and bolting.

I would probably criticize Brady for doing that, except he never did that. Staying with someone you don't love for the sake of a child is a recipe for disaster for EVERYONE (himself, the mother and the child).

But he didn't "bolt". He has shown to be a responsible parent in every sense of the word. Not to mention I have my own theories regarding the conception of that child, but that's another conversation for another thread.

 

[Bruins29]

I would probably criticize Brady for doing that, except he never did that. Staying with someone you don't love for the sake of a child is a recipe for disaster for EVERYONE (himself, the mother and the child).

But he didn't "bolt". He has shown to be a responsible parent in every sense of the word. Not to mention I have my own theories regarding the conception of that child, but that's another conversation for another thread.

I know he diddnt bolt and you know it. The forum probably knows it. I defend him when it is brought up simply because none of us know the exact circumstances of their private life.

The context in which I was bringing it up was merely to point out the common public perception of the incident, not what we think aqctually happened.

 

[PATS68]

I am done with AH. He was given 40 million reasons why he should not be hanging out with a gang. He chose the gang over his teammates and his career. I heard media reports from un-named teammates that money has changed AH for the worse.

I don't see him playing football for the Patriots again and it is all his fault. He is an idiot and was given a gift wrapped life and he screwed it up royally.

Ron Borges of the world shut the F up and stop acting like you knew that this guy was capable of being involved in a murder. Smoking weed in college and being involved in a murder there is a huge gap there pal.

 

[PATS68]

You are a tool. You introduced the stipulation of Hernandez being an innocent bystander not me. I have yet to make a single comment about what I think happened, will happen, or my feelings about Hernandez and his future here under any of those circumstances.


What happened? We still don't know.



One more time. Read slowly. My only reference to complete innocence is in response to your claim that he would be suspended if it turned out he is completely innocent just for being a part of the story.
Nowhere have I even implied that this is a realistic outcome.

Look at it this way. If you say that you can cash your welfare check and buy a new Ferrari for $100 and I respond that you cannot buy a new Ferrari for $100 that doesn't mean I endorse or dispute that you receive welfare checks.
You have turned this into me commenting on the political effectiveness of the welfare system.

But you know this, so just stop, its bringing down the thread and board.

You stated that we still don't know what happened correct? We I am here to tell you that yes we do know what happened. 1) there was a murder with an identified victim. 2) A judge agreed that a crime had been committed and evidence of that crime would be found at AH home 3) AH home is a crime scene with recovered evidence. 4) there is an arrest warrant for AH that more than likely be upgraded.

Fan boys go with the "we still don't know what happened" theory.

 

[Mack Herron]

I would probably criticize Brady for doing that, except he never did that. Staying with someone you don't love for the sake of a child is a recipe for disaster for EVERYONE (himself, the mother and the child).

But he didn't "bolt". He has shown to be a responsible parent in every sense of the word. Not to mention I have my own theories regarding the conception of that child, but that's another conversation for another thread.

Fathering a child with a woman you are not going to marry or commit to could be regarded as something less than "a responsible parent in every sense of the word."

 

[Bruins29]

You stated that we still don't know what happened correct? We I am here to tell you that yes we do know what happened. 1) there was a murder with an identified victim. 2) A judge agreed that a crime had been committed and evidence of that crime would be found at AH home 3) AH home is a crime scene with recovered evidence. 4) there is an arrest warrant for AH that more than likely be upgraded.

Fan boys go with the "we still don't know what happened" theory.

I am no AH apologist. He is obviously not a great guy. However there are a few words in your post I think need to be changed.

#2 should be "could" be found. Judges dont agree that evidence is going to be found. Only that it might be found which is why they search.

#3 Whatever they find is only "evidence" if it provides proof of an assertion. AH is a loser IMO. No question. But lets see if he is a loser or a murderer or an accomplice or tried to hide evidence before we fry him.

#4 is also not proven since the court itself said that there is no warrant. Perhaps one will come and should come should AH be involved in this even remotely. But the court said no last time I checked.

 

[IllegalContact]

Ben rothlisberger was not guilty by association and punished for being somewhere that something happened that he wasn't responsible for.
He was drunk in a bar banging college girls in the bathroom. That is consistent with the morals clause, whether the state feels there is evidence to convict or not.
Being guilty by association means you are associated with someone who committed a criminal act. Please cite the examples of players Goddell suspended for that.

LOL........really? Then why didnt spikes get suspended for his porn video? The point is that Goodell can hand out suspensions as he sees fit......the morals clause is intentionally quite vague......a player can be suspended for anything that damages the image of the league.......you said I was wrong,.........I am right

You are reaching...........and praying that that AH has zero involvement in this.......it clear that is not the case.

 

[Bruins29]

You are reaching...........and praying that that AH has zero involvement in this.......it clear that is not the case.

So you are saying that there is zero chance AH did not do it, did not have a hand in it, and did not try to cover it up.

He either did it, was directly involved, and/or absolutely tired to obstruct the investigation or hide evidence. You are sure HE smashed his phone (not in a fit of rage) and it happened after the crime. And you are sure HE smashed his security system (not anyone else) and that it was definitely done AFTER the crime with the purpose of hiding something.

Hmmm

 

[SB39]

Fathering a child with a woman you are not going to marry or commit to could be regarded as something less than "a responsible parent in every sense of the word."

I suppose it could, but only but a phenomenally ignorant person. I would ask such a person where Brady's irresponsibility lies. Sorry, but I don't get worked up with 2 consenting adults having intercourse out of wedlock. However, sometimes such activity results in a little surprise bundle of joy.

By all accounts we've heard, Brady is a responsible father in every sense of the word, period, end of story.

 

[IllegalContact]

So you are saying that there is zero chance AH did not do it, did not have a hand in it, and did not try to cover it up.

He either did it, was directly involved, and/or absolutely tired to obstruct the investigation or hide evidence. You are sure HE smashed his phone (not in a fit of rage) and it happened after the crime. And you are sure HE smashed his security system (not anyone else) and that it was definitely done AFTER the crime with the purpose of hiding something.

Hmmm

Not at all......I'm saying there's zero chance that he's not involved (in my opinion) and I'm going from there. The fact that the cops got a search warrant for his house proves he is involved in some way at a minimum through allowing people who did do the killing to use his property. Being 100% ignorant of everything that happened is unrealistic, but even in that case, enough of his property is involved which makes him involved

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Fathering a child with a woman you are not going to marry or commit to could be regarded as something less than "a responsible parent in every sense of the word."

Damn that Tom Brady. Damn him!

 

[Bruins29]

Not at all......I'm saying there's zero chance that he's not involved (in my opinion) and I'm going from there. The fact that the cops got a search warrant for his house proves he is involved in some way at a minimum through allowing people who did do the killing to use his property. Being 100% ignorant of everything that happened is unrealistic, but even in that case, enough of his property is involved which makes him involved

Of course he is involved. But that is not the same thing as being involved in a criminal sense. I think he is in a lot of trouble even if he is cleared completely...because - he is involved. That dosent make him guilty of anything though.

If my friend is staying over and goes out at night kills someone and then returns to me home. I am involved.

 

[Bruins29]

Damn that Tom Brady. Damn him!

I dont think TB did anything wrong. I hear it from women all the time how TB is this and that. I tell them that we dont know what happened. MAybe Bridget kicked him to the curb. Its always the guys fault.

 

[IllegalContact]

Fathering a child with a woman you are not going to marry or commit to could be regarded as something less than "a responsible parent in every sense of the word."

Theres a difference between hurting someone and not living by someone else standards.

As an athlete, my perception of a player would not change because of a child out of wedlock u less your Antonio cromartie

 

[IllegalContact]

Of course he is involved. But that is not the same thing as being involved in a criminal sense. I think he is in a lot of trouble even if he is cleared completely...because - he is involved. That dosent make him guilty of anything though.

If my friend is staying over and goes out at night kills someone and then returns to me home. I am involved.

Not in e traditional legal sense, but the Goodell principle is independent of that.....tarnish the image of the league and you can pay big ...... The reasons for that tarnish are not as important as the tarnish itself......I believe that is the current mode of operation

 

[fnordcircle]

Theres a difference between hurting someone and not living by someone else standards.

As an athlete, my perception of a player would not change because of a child out of wedlock u less your Antonio cromartie

Children are hurt when their father abandons them....Tom Brady is guilty of being a bad father 100% guaranteed (my opinion).............I never liked Tom Brady ever, always heard he hung out with a bad crowd (all of Michigan University is a bad crwod).................they should have never drafted the guy now goodell is probably going to ban him from the nfl for life because purple monkey dishwasher..........just my opinion but it is 100% guaranteed......