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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Given that the NFL is now listing it an an official transaction, does that mean that there was no physical requirement clause and that the trade is complete? So if he doesn't report, it isn't a hold out on the Pats, it is a hold out on Oakland?
The trade is complete pending a physical. Its a standard clause in any trade where a physical have to be passed. Remember vrabel trade could not complete for 2 -3 days as he did not show up in KC a few months back.
Unless a special clause is added to exempt this but this was a standard trade.
so seymour does not show up in oakland the 5 day letter has to be send from NE as oakland never got his rights. he is still the property of Patriots as he never passed the physical and reported there.This in CBA to protect from teams trading injured players without disclosing their injury.
In the 5 letter day he will be asked to report to work[oakland] or placed under the non football list ending his year.
Here is the fun thing if seymour shows in Foxboro with in 5 days the patriots can suspend him for insubordination which confirms he still with NE nullifying the trade or let him play for the patriots
either way what every BB and co put out the trade is not complete without a physical.
satz
No, but it is if you play it out.This is what I have been saying as well. If he is still the property of the Patriots, the transaction is not complete. The draft pick is not in BB's pocket just yet.
so seymour does not show up in oakland the 5 day letter has to be send from NE as oakland never got his rights. he is still the property of Patriots as he never passed the physical and reported there.This in CBA to protect from teams trading injured players without disclosing their injury.
Here is the fun thing if seymour showsup in Foxboro with in 5 days the patriots can suspend him for insubordination which confirms he still with NE nullifying the trade or let him play for the patriots
either way what every BB and co put out the trade is not complete without a physical.
satz
That's what would make sense to me, a lot of people think the Patriots would send the letter based on what PFT and Curran are saying. Who would send the letter, I don't know. But I agree with you on how it plays out, once the letter is send he has 5 days to report to the Raiders or be suspended for the season; which he almost certainly won't do. The uncertainty comes whether we get the trade done in the very unlikely scenario in which he actually does sit out the season.As for the 5-day report letter, I'm almost certain that will have to come from Oakland. Just as I'm almost certain that Seymour does not have the option of reporting back to the Patriots or that the Patriots could suspend him for insubordination or any other offense.
Where are you getting this information from? .
I think there is a possibility that trades are considered complete when the paperwork is done, and if the physical is failed then the trade is rescinded.
Since there was no draft in progress where they could have used the pick, how do you know we didn't technically have the pick all along? You can't tell anything about the exact details of how a trade works from Vrabel's situation, nothing would have been obviously different either way.If this is so why did not we receive the KC 2nd rd pick till vrabel reported and took his physical.He was awol for 3-4 days and we did not get the pick.Please explain why we could not get the pick ?.
their is no rescinding of trade in the CBA or NFL rules as of now. Its either complete or noncomplete[pending] . Could you elaborate where you got the idea that rescinding of trade is an option. Its a business transation their are no refunds. If this is so why did not we receive the KC 2nd rd pick till vrabel reported and took his physical.He was awol for 3-4 days and we did not get the pick.Please explain why we could not get the pick ?.
You know guys, if you bothered to read the transcript of the BB press conference posted by Reiss and Price, or to listen to BB's visit to WEEI, you'd know this: "Q: Is there any chance this trade will go back? Is this a done deal?
BB: As I said earlier, we don’t have rights to Richard, so I can’t make any comments about him or his situation."
Now, Rotoworld reported Sey was looking for a contract extension, Tommy Kelly got ridiculous money in Oakland, Namdi As-alphabet got a big payday, Seymour was just acquired for a first round draft pick coming off an 8 sack season, his contract leverage will never be as high again. Follow the money.
Since there was no draft in progress where they could have used the pick, how do you know we didn't technically have the pick all along? You can't tell anything about the exact details of how a trade works from Vrabel's situation, nothing would have been obviously different either way.
What about Moss then. The trade happened on the night of the draft for a pick that was 7th or 8th on the next day . That night moss had to come in and take a physical before the trade was completed. At the start of the day all media including the NE Fo repeated that they cannot confirm the trade unless moss takes his physical in person....why?