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manxman2601

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I don’t mean this as a shot at Mike Mayock but just to highlight the mindfield it could be to find Brady’s successor.

 

SBLIII

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I don’t mean this as a shot at Mike Mayock but just to highlight the mindfield it could be to find Brady’s successor.


It won't be easy which is why I wouldn't hate a terrible season if it puts us in position to draft a sure fire stud QB the year after.

The hit rate after that drops off significantly.
 

manxman2601

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It won't be easy which is why I wouldn't hate a terrible season if it puts us in position to draft a sure fire stud QB the year after.

The hit rate after that drops off significantly.

I’m not even sure that surefire studs can be guaranteed every year. An Andrew Luck doesn’t come along that often.

It’s fair to say, in fact, that the best QBs in the NFL all fell. Brady - 6th, Rodgers - 2nd half of the first, Brees - 2nd Round, Russell Wilson - 3rd Round and Mahomes had a number of QBs taken ahead of him.
 

manxman2601

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No please not Finley here.

I like him in the 3rd or 4th but no earlier. Solid but not spectacular backup/spot starter. Think he’d be an improvement on Hoyer although Hoyer does seem to help the team when it comes to preparing for opposing QBs which might give him an intangible leg up. But I don’t want Hoyer anywhere near the field if Brady was out for an extended period.
 

manxman2601

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I don’t know what people think of Trent Dilfer as a QB evaluator, but in the latest MMQB, he calls Haskins “Brady-ish” and says Tua is the best QB he’s evaluated.

Tua’s the finest prospect I’ve ever evaluated,” Dilfer says. “He learns better, throws better than anybody, moves better than anybody. He’s tough. He can change the next rep, you give a tiny thing here to, and the next rep he can change. It’s just too bad he played poorly the last time we saw him., he’d tell you that too. … He’s special. But he’s 5' 11", and we the same conversation around Kyler, around Baker.

I thought Dwayne should’ve waited, but he’s the most like Tom Brady of anyone we’ve had. He sees it like Tom, he works at it, he plays that way. He plays on time, with his intellectual process. I don’t want to compare anyone to Brady, but he’s Tom Brady-ish.”

Should teams wait until 2020 to draft a quarterback?
 

mgteich

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I don’t know what people think of Trent Dilfer as a QB evaluator, but in the latest MMQB, he calls Haskins “Brady-ish” and says Tua is the best QB he’s evaluated.





Should teams wait until 2020 to draft a quarterback?

My preference would be to draft a QB this year, and other next year. We need a replacement for Hoyer in 2020. This would give us two in-house possibilities. And yes, the hope would be that one could eventually be our #1, or not. I would be fine if we used any one of our first seven picks on a QB.

To wait until 2020 would mean that we would need to extend Hoyer, or simply assume that the 2020 QB will be good enough to replace Hoyer.
 

manxman2601

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My preference would be to draft a QB this year, and other next year. We need a replacement for Hoyer in 2020. This would give us two in-house possibilities. And yes, the hope would be that one could eventually be our #1, or not. I would be fine if we used any one of our first seven picks on a QB.

To wait until 2020 would mean that we would need to extend Hoyer, or simply assume that the 2020 QB will be good enough to replace Hoyer.

Sorry for any confusion, but I wasn't suggesting waiting until 2020, that was just the name of the link. I just found the article interesting, particularly on Haskins being 'Brady-ish'.
 

Ochmed Jones

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My preference would be to draft a QB this year, and other next year. We need a replacement for Hoyer in 2020. This would give us two in-house possibilities. And yes, the hope would be that one could eventually be our #1, or not. I would be fine if we used any one of our first seven picks on a QB.

To wait until 2020 would mean that we would need to extend Hoyer, or simply assume that the 2020 QB will be good enough to replace Hoyer.

There are some monster quarterbacks in the 2020 draft. Tua, Fromm, Herbert, erhlinger, etc.
 

manxman2601

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If we don't trade 56 for Josh Rosen, then I don't want to draft a QB until our 6th-rounder, at the earliest. Too many major holes that will require All of our picks from the first 4 rounds to fill.

I could live with a developmental guy in the 3rd whether it be Stidham, Grier or Finley. I’m easy either way. I don’t want Hoyer under center any time soon.
 

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I've been doing some research (measurable, scouting reports, not watching film) on Grier because I am in self protect mode in case we take him in the first round. Note - I do not want them to but for my own self protection . . .

His measurables are shockingly similar to Baker Mayfield.

Mayfield
Height 6' 1"
Weight 215 lbs
Arms 30 1/4”
Hands 9 1/4”
40 Yard Dash 4.84
Vertical Jump 29.0
Broad Jump 111.0
3 Cone Drill 7.0
20 Yd Shuttle 4.28

Grier
Height 6' 2"
Weight 217 lbs
Arms 31 1/2”
Hands 9 3/8”
40 Yard Dash 4.84
Vertical Jump 34.0
Broad Jump 112.0
3 Cone Drill 7.09
20 Yd Shuttle 4.28

And they're both from the Big 12, shockingly similar. These numbers mean something but not that much for a QB but as Grier's biggest negative is size, it's hard to get to freaked out about it. And on the positive side, he has all the stuff we would like, accuracy, toughness, maturity, leadership, etc.

I am not saying he should be going #1 overall like Mayfield but I can at least live with it if we shock the world at 1.32. Some of the other negatives (bad decisions under pressure for example) can be coached out.

Again, I do not (do not, do not, do not) want Grier to be our pick in the first round. Definitely not. But the physical comparison to Mayfield is really interesting.
 

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