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Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by BaconGrundleCandy, May 30, 2019.

  1. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Will use this thread for all QB talk, breakdowns & possible next Patriot franchise QB. Just like the WR's, I used w/e tape I could find, games on DVR, reputation & some projection to create the tiers.

    QB 2020


    Tier 1
    Tua Tagovailoa 6'/230 - Alabama


    Tier 2
    Jordan Love 6'4/225 - Utah St

    Justin Herbert 6'6/230 - Oregon

    Desmond Ridder 6'4/215 - Cinci

    Jake Fromm 6'2/220 - Georgia

    Ian Book 6'/205 - Notre Dame

    D’Eriq King 5'11/195 - Houston

    Bryce Perkins 6'3/210 - Virginia

    Cole McDonald 6'4/205 - Hawaii

    Sam Ehlinger 6'3/235 - Texas

    Joe Burrow 6'4/215 - LSU

    Brian Lewerke 6'3/215 - Michigan St

    McKenzie Milton 5'11/185 - UCF


    Tier 3
    Khalil Tate 6'2/215 - Arizona

    Jacob Eason 6'6/230 - Washington

    Jarrett Guarantano 6'4/210 - Tennessee

    Steven Montez 6'5/230 - Colorado

    Armani Rogers 6'5/225 - UNLV

    Jarret Doege 6'3/205 - Bowling Green

    Mike Glass III 6'/215 - Eastern Michigan

    Riley Neal 6'6/225 - Vanderbilt

    Deondre Francois 6'1/215 - FAU

    Nate Stanley 6'4/240 - Iowa

    Mason Fine 5'11/185 - North Texas

    KJ Costello 6'5/215 - Stanford

    Kellen Mond 6'2/210 - Texas A&M

    Jalen Hurts 6'1/220 - OK

    Charlie Brewer 6'1/200 - Baylor

    Peyton Ramsey 6'2/210 - Indiana

    Josh Jackson 6'1/215 - Maryland

    Jake Bentley 6'4/225 - South Carolina

    Shea Patterson 6'2/200 - Michigan

    Feleipe Franks 6'5/235 - Florida

    Blake Barnett 6'5/215 - USF

    Caleb Evans 6'2/210 - UL-Monroe

    Tyler Huntley 6'1/205 - Utah

    Brady White 6'3/205 - Memphis

    Alex Thomson 6'5/230 - Marshall

    James Morgan 6'4/210 - FIU

    Jon Wassink 6'2/200 - Western Michigan

    Alex Hornibrook 6'3/220 - FSU


    Tier 4
    Jake Luton 6'7/230 - Oregon St

    Ryan Willis 6'4/220 - VA Tech

    Jack Abraham 6'/205 - Southern Miss

    Anthony Russo 6'4/230 - Temple

    Zac Thomas 6'1/200 - App St

    Elijah Sindelar 6'4/225 - Purdue

    Zeb Noland 6'2/220 - North Dakota St

    Kenny Pickett 6'2/220 - Pitt

    Anthony Brown 6'2/220 - Boston College

    Tommy Stevens 6'5/240 - Miss St
     
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    ctpatsfan77 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Roughly what do the tiers stand for? I've seen a suggestion that the Pats should draft KJ Costello in the first.
     
  3. JerseyShore99

    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Jake Fromm my early favorite to be the first QB taken
     
  4. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Honestly just a quick opinion of where they are now & where they could be.

    In terms of NFL QB'S I think there's 4 tiers.
    1)Elite (Win bc of, they are the system)
    Brady, Brees, Wilson, Mahomes, Rogers (might be missing someone) are all borderline elite/help you win depending on the day or waiting another year in Mahomes case.
    2)Helps you win
    Luck, Ryan, Watson, Baker, Wentz, Cam etc ..

    3)Avg
    Jimmy, Ben, Dak, MT


    4)Hurts you
    Eli, Flacco.. You get the point

    And unknown I suppose when you consider rookies who 99.9% of time are bad/avg. Usually year 1 doesn't matter in terms of stats. It's a re-evaluation of sorts.

    I think 4-5 could be in the "helps you" or in between there & avg by NFL standards, by years end.
     
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    Ochmed Jones Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    How much is Alabama’s successs because of tua and how much because of all the five star talent on that team?

    Hurt is a tier 10 QB, but was 26 and 2 as a starter for Alabama.

    I personally would move Fromm and Herbert up to tier 1.
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    For totally different reasons, I also prefer Fromm
     
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    SBLIII In the Starting Line-Up

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    Hurts reminds me of Dak.
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Not sure who Hurts reminds me of, huge fan but don't see him having a purpose in the NFL
     
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    Hurts is s tremendous athlete could have a place in the nfl as a wide receiver.
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    How to QB.
    Ive always believed sacks we're more on QBs than OL but the past few years Ive gone more in that camp. I also would give QBs "bonus" points for explosive plays (plays over 16 yards, apparently this is how coaches "define" an ex play/and this would be tough but maybe an extra point or 2 for avoiding sacks? Or would that just be almost canceling out a QBs mistake(s) to begin w?

    Only using this for draft purposes here. If someone wants to start a discussion on the main abt QBs go for it. I dont need the inevitable nonsense, rabbit-hole bs in here please/ty. I don't mind a few comments, not trying to be a diva, I think you guys understand what I'm trying to say lol. Again though anything draft related please have at it.

     
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    SBLIII In the Starting Line-Up

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    DTR is awful.
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Fromm is my QB1, I like Eason a ton too

    One name to watch from the bottom tier is Tommy Stevens

    Hurts, Perkins, and Tate all guys I find interesting but we'll see as NFL prospects

    Milton I like but will most likely return to UCF

    Not as big on Tua and Herbert as others
     
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    Snooky97 In the Starting Line-Up

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    Fromm has been my number one guy for a while and it won’t change at all, to me it just seems like he “Gets it” I don’t really know how to explain it! Understands his game very well and knows what he can and can’t do which is a big deal. He doesn’t have the best arm but it’s good enough.

    The other thing is he’s beaten out 5* recruits since he’s been a freshman, he’s also gone against those Alabama Defence which is basically NFL talent.

    I’m hoping UGA have some real threats at WR this year as they are normally ground and pound and then throw off the PA..
     
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    November 16 Georgia at auburn. We will learn about Fromm from that game.
     
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    patman52 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    I like the kid Burrow last year and this first game did nothing to dispel that.
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Growing on me as well, one thing I notice so far around all of college football is that QB mechanics look smother than usual...Usually I'm a stickler
     
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    Great article about that on TDN. Huge improvement from him compared with last year! 5-Play Prospect: LSU QB Joe Burrow | The Draft Network
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    One QB I've watched this year with shockingly smooth mechanics:
    Boise State FR QB Hank Bachmeier

    Have yet to see the typical Collin Klein college QB mechanics
     
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    I think the qb from Colorado state blew his knee out today. Very sad!
     

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