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    Major injury, we'll see what happens
     
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    I thought for sure BB wouldnt pass on Jackson at the end of the first but he did. I don't expect he would take Tua
     
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    I think the big 3 are clearly: Burrow, Eason, and Fromm, probably in that order. I think Eason has the best arm and Fromm has the best mechanics and smarts. I get that Burrow is the most productive, which means something, but he's really 3rd on my board if I'm evaluating long-term potential.

    Herbert doesn't compare to these guys in terms of performance, particularly in big games. He's too much of a spread QB and not enough of a real passer.

    Hurts, Newman, Mond, Montez, Love, Tate, Patterson: passers that use their arms instead of their hips to throw, their legs instead of their minds to find open passing lanes. They are each too much of a project to become a good pocket passer, and I don't want to convert to an offense where pocket passing isn't a centerpiece of it. (I like spread formations and the occasional spread rushing or screen concept, but I don't like dumbing down the passing game).

    My top sleepers are Mason Fine, James Morgan, and KJ Costello.

    Fine: Maybe he's not quite Russell Wilson, but they do have pretty similar games. He's a good passer and scrambler.

    James Morgan: Nice arm, good size, good mechanics. Smaller school and just above average performance, so there are certainly questions to be answered there.

    Costello: Worth a look, but you have to really wonder about injuries.
     
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    Would be ecstatic if NE took Fromm or Eason if possible
     
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    Eason and Fromm should definitely stay in school.

    Herbert is terrible if his first read is covered, but someone will overdraft him.

    Burrows is a one hit wonder.

    and then there is tua. So many teams are scared of him right now that he could drop to us at 32.
     
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    Burrows I feel like has a bright future...reminds me a bit of Daniel Jones/Wentz
     
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    Some bad things that happen during one’s formative years can take a lifetime recover from. I’m not sure I can handle the Pats taking a QB named Eason.... After 10 years I still have a bad first instinct when I hear Chung’s name called on the field, and he turned out to be a stud!
     
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    Proudly always liked Chung...he stood out on one of the scrappiest Ds I can remember here (Guyton, Spikes, Arrington, etc.)...fun times
     
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    And NE might be just as scared.
     
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    The only way he falls to #32 is if something goes terribly wrong...in which case we shouldn't touch

    Perhaps ignorantly, the whole lefty thing is a turn off to me as it is
     
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    I think being lefty is a benefit more than anything. You get to really **** with the strengths of the defenses. Weakside ends aren't used to QBs being able to see them as they rush. This is especially useful if you're mobile like Tua is/was.
     
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    I agree with all of this.

    That being said, I think Eason and Fromm could very well come out, and if they do, they're still very good prospects that I like a lot (even if they could use another year of college).

    Glad someone else agrees with me about Burrow. I definitely think he's a good player, but I'm not going to crown him.
     
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    To the contrary, building an O around a southpaw is harder than righty just throwing from the opposite side...unnantrual to WRs and all on O
     
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    Is it though?

    What are we talking about? Spirals? I would think there's more variation between QBs of the same throwing arm than just the difference between a righty and lefty.
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Good article with some notable quotes I found:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/08/13/why-arent-there-any-left-handed-quarterbacks-nfl/
    "But while lefty arms are rewarded in baseball, football treats them like a burden. The tail that once gave Leinart’s fastball nasty bite made his passes more difficult to catch, because left-handed throws look and spin differently out of the hand. (Kicks, too: For years, one of football’s most well-respected tacticians, New England Patriots Coach Bill Belichick, has employed a left-footed punter to trouble unfamiliar opponents.)"

    "Brian Xanders, a senior personnel executive with the Los Angeles Rams, became a left-handed quarterback expert with the Atlanta Falcons during Vick’s tenure and later drafted southpaw Tim Tebow as the Denver Broncos’ general manager.
    In both situations, Xanders understood the implications: Teams must prioritize right tackles because they, rather than the left tackle, protect a lefty’s “blind side.” Coaches must alter formations and flip plays, because lefties drop back and run play-action fakes differently."

    “If [two quarterbacks] are totally equal in everything, [teams will sign] the right-hander,” Xanders said. “Everyone is more used to it.

    Not this this is a deal breaker on Tua at all, I'm a fan and his "intangibles" are through the roof, just notable
     
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    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Another good article:
    Why Doesn't the NFL Have Any Left-Handed Quarterbacks Anymore?

    "The reason none of the NFL’s 90 or so quarterbacks are lefties is mainly that offensive lines are built to protect a righty and coaches have to shift players and adjust plays in order to accommodate a lefty. Receivers are also used to catching balls thrown from right-handers and find it more difficult to snag left-handed throws."

    You'll never see a team roster a lefty backup if the starter is a righty...Lefty QBs have to be exceptional to be successful and Tua may very well be
     
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