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  1. Pape

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    The idea of a blue print is bs ... TB made himself the best because he worked the hardest, and was able to maximize his skill set to the best of his ability... skills on the field, his brain in the film room, his ability to be coached and learn from it...

    There is no blue print... There has to be a will and desire to achieve greatness... its not something some one can look at and say tom did this so i have to do this too... it doesn't work that way...
     
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    you cant replace him. Fans also expect us to win 12 or 13 games. Not going to happen as those days are over for a little bit. We all need to dial down our expectations. 10 wins will be a GREAT season.
     
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    Yeah, he was always Brady. But in 2001-2004, I always felt that he was the driver...and after that he became the engine as well....
     
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    Totally agree.

    Rarely does a rookie QB have a spectacular year.

    My belief is BB/Josh like to bring them along slowly. Learn the offense. Learn protections. Learn the other team's defenses. Audibles. Sight adjustments. Clock management. Learn their own personnel. Mechanics. Diet. Strength training. What it means to really study. Most importantly, learn not how to lose games. Learn how to lead in an NFL huddle.

    We have no idea if Stidham is the guy or not but sitting Year 1 will only help him in 2020 and help BB evaluate what kind of ceiling he has.
     
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    Brady had the formula of talent, hard work, smarts, desire, confidence, humbleness, and competitiveness that can never be duplicated.

    The idea that there is a blueprint is completely ridiculous.
     
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    It worked that way in 2001. With good coaching and play calling for the young guy who was confident enough to pull it off.

    Question is the ideal time to insert young QB. Checking off the other boxes... Year 2. Use Brady as example. Sorry if the word "blueprint" has gotten some Brady undies bunched up. Get the guy on the field . Don't wussy out. Use similar tactics and play calling demonstrated by Weis. mcD has a new challenge.

    The thing that people are doing that's kinda dumb is comparing Stidham to HOF Brady instead of 2001 Brady. Or last year's Brady . It's going to be interesting year. :cool:
     
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    That it worked way in 2001 does not mean that it will work in 2020 ... It worked in 2001 because of Tom Brady ... because of what he did to prepare for the games along with the coaching... its not a "plug and play" type thing ... not to mention, 2001's team wasn't ravaged by free agency, like the 2020 Patriots have been
     
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    I just hope he doesn't use the Jordan Richards blueprint.. The only positive aspect of not having a 2nd round pick
     
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    When Brady plays in his 21st season, he will become a multi generational Franchise qb!

    there is no blueprint, there is god given talent and determination beyond measure!

    guys like Brady are very few and very far between!
     
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    I still can't believe this thread is still here. The OP has shown to be a troll in many threads.
     
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    Matt Cassel didn't last start as QB till HS, didn't start at all at USC, came in 2008 for the Pats and won 11 games and put up 21TD/11int. The following year he made the Pro Bowl.

    There is a formula. Find accurate QBs who don't give the ball away, make good decisions with the ball and are coachable to be more over a couple years.
     
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    Apologies to those who are miffed about the word blueprint. Actually I'm not sure what makes something miffworthy.

    That's why the op explained the thought even with some humor. ;)
     
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    Yes.. and the point of how much bench time is needed. It's clear that there is a lot to learn but Belichick noted that the player is picking things up quickly. It's his call to say if the guy is ready or not.

    Then comes the in game development, facing the stress of game speed and adjustment to it. Brady's greatness also came from learning from mistakes and bouncing back the following week.
     
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    Well at least you’re willing to walk that one back, which I respect.

    Here’s where I disagree with you: I believe that Brady’s processing is an innate gift. His ability to read defenses pre-snaps read movements in a second post-snap is not some kind of learned skill. Various stories suggest Brady has a photographic memory. Leadership, too, is arguable about whether or not it can be learned or you’re born with it; from my experience, I believe we all have innate talents.

    So that’s why I’m skeptical that coaching can impart many of these qualities on QBX.

    Coaching can enhance these qualities. Belichick’s knowledge is helpful to Brady. But very few guys will take advantage of advanced scouting the way Brady can.
     
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    I have said many times, who a gigantic "OMG" to the league, if Brady left and had a bad year, and whoever is next had better results than Brady's first year. Then Pats fans could screw with EVERY other fan base by saying "Tom Brady? System QB."

    Of course (1) I don't think it's true, and (2) I don't think we're having an NFL season this year, so we won't be able to measure "the year after".

    Smith was not a good RB. He was reliably mediocre though. I mean, you knew what you were getting, that's for damn sure. But he was really pedestrian by any metric you could imagine. There is a reason they never said "Clock killin' Antowain Smith."

    That said, the Pats have always relied so much on the pass and Brady, that the moment a back got good enough to begin to shine, he was gone. Dillon is the only real "name" back who retired a Patriot, and that was only because he came TO New England with his name made in Cincy.
     
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    Everyone knows the only difference between Crable and LT was Shawn had skills legs.
    Other than that, same player.
     
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    If you want to see a mediocre back look at Law Firm. Smith was a very good back at least when he got here. Better than than Blount imo for what he was including when he was used as a pass receiver. Just as good as Blount in getting into the end zone. Brady and the Patriots season goes very differently in 2001 without Smith. Nobody is comparing him to Dillon but that doesn't mean he wasn't good.
     
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    Smith was huge. And he could run over dbs. After super bowl he was with Kraft when they brought the trophy to Vermont. I got to shake his hand and he was a lot bigger in person than maybe he looked on TV. ? It made sense why he was signed and why he won 2 Superbowls with this team. They were big and punishing..
     
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    I won't bore you with stats, but you're nuts saying just as good as Blount getting into end zone. Frackin Blount got into the end zone so much they had to cut him. Nobody leads the league in TDs and stays on the NE payroll!

    Just no. Antowain has a special place in our hearts and all, but it's not because he's one of the great running back talents of NE lore.

    But let me know if you want to do the stat comparison. I am sure your "eye test" says he's good, and possibly it's very important that "he's a mudder." But, no. He just wasn't very good.

    PS, Lawfirm had these things going for him:

    1) didnt fumble except when he did.
    2) Embedded in his name was the name of Jarvis Green. Additionally, his first three names are a Hebrew patronymic, Ben-Jarvis Green, meaning "Son of Jarvis Green."
    3) His name was indeed an excellent law firm name.
    4) Like Antowain, he just didn't have snazzy stats, but was pretty trustworthy
    5) He wasn't Laurence Maroney.

    let me know if you want to go the stat route on Antowain - nothing against him but I think I remember a 3.5 YPC season in 03 (and 4.0 in 01)... Law Firm was like 3.7? I dunno. Pretty similar.
     
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    The difference between Smith and Blount was LgB was never the 2 way back Smith was. Smith could take a lob behind the line of scrimmage and take it to the house. Did it here and in Buffalo. Smith had two very good postseasons... Blount not so much unless he was playing the Colts. Or Jordan Richards :mad:
     

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