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And can someone explain to me how JT isn't the top DE?

because Peppers is better. at least i think so

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

because Peppers is better. at least i think so

Was Pepers the defensive player of the year?

 

[Remix 6]

Was Pepers the defensive player of the year?

look at their stats last season..nothing says Taylor played much better.

JT: 60 tackles, 13.5 sacks, 2 INts
JP: 57 tackles 13 sacks, 0 INTs

plus Peppers played hurt a lot of the year and their defense wasnt as good all around as Miami's was.

last year..yes Taylor played better but overall i like Peppers. Taylor played some OLB so it was different than Julius mainly being at the end the whole game.

and not to start an arguement but i think Bailey should of won it. 85 tackles..10 INTs with teams avoiding him? I cant see another CB getting that kind of production. If Bailey didnt win it now..hes never going to

 

[PonyExpress]

Players who are on the list, but should not be

Shaun Alexander: the man has a broken foot.
Kris Dielman: A solid guard, made to look much better by McNeil.
Tommie Harris: pass rushing DTs are a luxury, coming off injury
Steve Hutchinson: an overrated oaf
Mike Strahan: has grandma arms and walks in fashion shows wearing a sarong. No Thanks.
Jeremy Shockey: Is this a joke?
Andre Johnson: Has the numbers, but disappears against good competition
Kellen Winslow: recurring knee problems make durability a huge ?
Casey Hampton: close but no cigar
Dwight Freeney: Not even close
Shawn Andrews: Just because he pushes around weak NFC east D-lines doesn't make him great.
Terence Newman: for a cb to be great he has to make big plays, not just cover well

Players who are not on the list, but should be

Bob Sanders: X-factor in Colts SB run
Logan Mankins: Best Guard in NFL
Ty Warren: Humble Monster
Luis Castillo: devastating
Marcus McNeil: man among boys
Hines Ward: Troy Brown squared
Kerry Rhodes: better than Polamalu because he is a more consistent tackler
John Henderson: best DT in the NFL
Rashean Mathis: I guess PFW forgot Jacksonville has a franchise
Demarcus Ware: emerged in the 2nd half as a dominant force. IMO already a more complete player than Merriman.
Olin Kreutz: The rigid spine of the Chicago O-line
Trevor Pryce/Haloti Ngata: someone on the Baltimore D-line better make it.

 

[PonyExpress]

look at their stats last season..nothing says Taylor played much better.

JT: 60 tackles, 13.5 sacks, 2 INts
JP: 57 tackles 13 sacks, 0 INTs

plus Peppers played hurt a lot of the year and their defense wasnt as good all around as Miami's was.

last year..yes Taylor played better but overall i like Peppers. Taylor played some OLB so it was different than Julius mainly being at the end the whole game.

and not to start an arguement but i think Bailey should of won it. 85 tackles..10 INTs with teams avoiding him? I cant see another CB getting that kind of production. If Bailey didnt win it now..hes never going to

Look at forced fumbles and passes defensed. it isn't even close. Taylor played DE as well as a man can play the position last year. He was much better than Peppers in '06. Remember that long stretch last season when Peppers just disappeared? Remember the game vs. Dallas where he just packed it in? I love Peppers, too, but last year, while awesome by normal standards, was a bit sub-par for Julius.

 

[Remix 6]

Players who are on the list, but should not be

Shaun Alexander: the man has a broken foot.
Kris Dielman: A solid guard, made to look much better by McNeil.
Tommie Harris: pass rushing DTs are a luxury, coming off injury
Steve Hutchinson: an overrated oaf
Mike Strahan: has grandma arms and walks in fashion shows wearing a sarong. No Thanks.
Jeremy Shockey: Is this a joke?
Andre Johnson: Has the numbers, but disappears against good competition
Kellen Winslow: recurring knee problems make durability a huge ?
Casey Hampton: close but no cigar
Dwight Freeney: Not even close
Shawn Andrews: Just because he pushes around weak NFC east D-lines doesn't make him great.
Terence Newman: for a cb to be great he has to make big plays, not just cover well

Players who are not on the list, but should be

Bob Sanders: X-factor in Colts SB run
Logan Mankins: Best Guard in NFL
Ty Warren: Humble Monster
Luis Castillo: devastating
Marcus McNeil: man among boys
Hines Ward: Troy Brown squared
Kerry Rhodes: better than Polamalu because he is a more consistent tackler
John Henderson: best DT in the NFL
Rashean Mathis: I guess PFW forgot Jacksonville has a franchise
Demarcus Ware: emerged in the 2nd half as a dominant force. IMO already a more complete player than Merriman.
Olin Kreutz: The rigid spine of the Chicago O-line
Trevor Pryce/Haloti Ngata: someone on the Baltimore D-line better make it.

Bob Sanders needs to stay healthy before anything

Mankins is top 5 guard but not #1. Faneca, Andrews, Hutchinson are the better ones off the top of my head

McNeil had a good rookie season ..little early but i still like him near end of list

Ward? Hes not better than: Smith, Johnson, Johnson, Williams, Wayne, Holt, Boldin, Fitz, Evans, Owens, Walker or Burress and then theres some u can argue about

Pryce/Suggs should be on the list..both are great players. Ngata wasnt even their best DT..Kelly Gregg was better and he doesnt deserve top 50 NFL players.

 

[Remix 6]

Look at forced fumbles and passes defensed. it isn't even close. Taylor played DE as well as a man can play the position last year. He was much better than Peppers in '06. Remember that long stretch last season when Peppers just disappeared? Remember the game vs. Dallas where he just packed it in? I love Peppers, too, but last year, while awesome by normal standards, was a bit sub-par for Julius.

Fumbles, Peppers 3, Taylor 9

Defended: Peppers 6, Taylor 8

not a big difference in passes defended..considering JT played OLB sometimes.

 

[PonyExpress]

Fumbles, Peppers 3, Taylor 9

Defended: Peppers 6, Taylor 8

not a big difference in passes defended..considering JT played OLB sometimes.

11 PDs for Taylor, 9 forced fumbles, 6.5 stuffs, 2 INTs, 2 TDs.

For Julius, 6 PDs, 3 forced fumbles, 5.5 stuffs, 0 INTs.

 

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11 PDs for Taylor, 9 forced fumbles, 6.5 stuffs, 2 INTs, 2 TDs.

For Julius, 6 PDs, 3 forced fumbles, 5.5 stuffs, 0 INTs.

i was just looking off NFL.com that say 6:8

last 3 years:
Taylor: 201 tackles, 35 sacks, 3 INTs, 26 PD (at DE and OLB)
Peppers: 171 tackles 34.5 sacks, 2 INTs , 19 PD (only at DE)

not a big difference..30 tackles doesnt mean much.., half a sack more..8 more PDs.

 

[zippo59]

The Panthers defense really underachieved last year.

 

[Remix 6]

The Panthers defense really underachieved last year.

-missing Morgan
-Injury plaqued Ken Lucas
-Injured Rucker
-Aging Minter
-Washed up Safety with injury problems in Williams
-overrated Gamble

 

[sebman2112]

-missing Morgan
-Injury plaqued Ken Lucas
-Injured Rucker
-Aging Minter
-Washed up Safety with injury problems in Williams
-overrated Gamble

I was pissed when they got Richard Marshall, I really like him.

 

[TealSox]

RereadMix

We are going to have to agree to disagree about Frank Gore. Don't know where you live and what games your watching, but Gore is a liability with the ball. I was at the Green Bay game when he put the ball on the ground near the goal line and they lost that game when that TD could had won it. It was the second time in three weeks he did that same exact thing. Sure, anyone can look at the numbers and say he looks good and is a top five back in the league. How can I argue with his rushing yards? The numbers are what they are, but I think Addai will be a better back next season and over his career than Gore. Its just going to have to be one of those that will remain to be seen.

As for Adrian Wilson, I agree with the talent he brings to the table. I think you misunderstood my comments. I just feel that after the season Briggs had, he should be up there as well as Wilson. I'm only going with Briggs based on what he did last season... supposably the same tactics they took in selecting Frank Gore. No disrespect to Brown, very good lineman.

 

[italia44]

Players who are on the list, but should not be

Shaun Alexander: the man has a broken foot.
Kris Dielman: A solid guard, made to look much better by McNeil.
Tommie Harris: pass rushing DTs are a luxury, coming off injury
Steve Hutchinson: an overrated oaf
Mike Strahan: has grandma arms and walks in fashion shows wearing a sarong. No Thanks.
Jeremy Shockey: Is this a joke?
Andre Johnson: Has the numbers, but disappears against good competition
Kellen Winslow: recurring knee problems make durability a huge ?
Casey Hampton: close but no cigar
Dwight Freeney: Not even close
Shawn Andrews: Just because he pushes around weak NFC east D-lines doesn't make him great.
Terence Newman: for a cb to be great he has to make big plays, not just cover well

Players who are not on the list, but should be

Bob Sanders: X-factor in Colts SB run
Logan Mankins: Best Guard in NFL
Ty Warren: Humble Monster
Luis Castillo: devastating
Marcus McNeil: man among boys
Hines Ward: Troy Brown squared
Kerry Rhodes: better than Polamalu because he is a more consistent tackler
John Henderson: best DT in the NFL
Rashean Mathis: I guess PFW forgot Jacksonville has a franchise
Demarcus Ware: emerged in the 2nd half as a dominant force. IMO already a more complete player than Merriman.
Olin Kreutz: The rigid spine of the Chicago O-line
Trevor Pryce/Haloti Ngata: someone on the Baltimore D-line better make it.

nice job,pony......especially about Ware and Mathis.

Wilfork-not yet
Hines Ward-past his prime
Ty Warren-next year

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

11 PDs for Taylor, 9 forced fumbles, 6.5 stuffs, 2 INTs, 2 TDs.

For Julius, 6 PDs, 3 forced fumbles, 5.5 stuffs, 0 INTs.

Exactly, Taylor DOMINATED football games and literally single handedly won 2 games by himself last year. Best defensive player in football.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

nice job,pony......especially about Ware and Mathis.

Wilfork-not yet
Hines Ward-past his prime
Ty Warren-next year

How could he STILL have forgotten Zach Thomas. I can't believe the lack of respect he gets.

 

[italia44]

How could he STILL have forgotten Zach Thomas. I can't believe the lack of respect he gets.

jeez,aqua.....get off of Zach Thomas,will ya

he's past his prime and is no longer a game changer.....just like Bruschi.

You're losing credibility with this.....

stick with Jason Taylor,his is a cause worth championing,not Thomas.....open your eyes.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

jeez,aqua.....get off of Zach Thomas,will ya

he's past his prime and is no longer a game changer.....just like Bruschi.

You're losing credibility with this.....

stick with Jason Taylor,his is a cause worth championing,not Thomas.....open your eyes.

I'm losing credibility over a guy who was the all-pro MLB (You do realize that means BEST LB IN FOOTBALL RIGHT?) and led the league in tackles. Thomas is lightyears ahead of Bruschi.

 

[zippo59]

I'm losing credibility over a guy who was the all-pro MLB (You do realize that means BEST LB IN FOOTBALL RIGHT?) and led the league in tackles. Thomas is lightyears ahead of Bruschi.

I love how every player on the Dolphins is the best.

Taylor is the best defensive player in football.

Thomas is the best linebacker in football.

Got it.

 

[desi-patsfan]

Fumbles, Peppers 3, Taylor 9

Defended: Peppers 6, Taylor 8

not a big difference in passes defended..considering JT played OLB sometimes.

Its kinda funny. Taylor outdid Peppers in EVERY stat and yet you think peppers is better. Just give the man his due, he was the best DE last year.