ProFootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

[BionicPatriot]

Belichick is going to cut quality depth? Sanders is eh as a starter, but how many teams have a backup better than him? I doubt BB does it.

BjGE, well you have oft. injured Taylor, Morris and Maroney, and aging Faulk. So you think BB is going to get rid of quality depth? Also, I don't know how many other guys out there are better options than BJGE at this point.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Profootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

1.) You can't trade him if he hasn't signed the tag.

2.) If he's signed the tag, you can't rescind it.

3.) At $10.731 million, Mankins would essentially make back everything people are considering "lost" by not playing this year, and would be doing so with one less season of wear and tear on his body.


If the Patriots were to tag Mankins, they'd be giving Mankins more power than he's had in this entire scenario to date.

If you tag him and he doesn't sign it he's screwed again...being as he's the one who wants to be traded who says he will NEVER play here again. He would sign it only to facilitate a trade knowing that no one is going to sign him to an offer sheet approaching what he wants and trade a first and a third for him (or he'd be somewhere else already). Of course he may find out along the way that no one is going to pay him that period. And if the Patriots believe that at the start of the next league season they either won't tag him or won't tag him for long. Just long enough to shop him early in FA and establish if he has trade value. If he does they can tell him his ticket out of Foxboro is waiting... If not, they can rescind it.

What do you think he would do, sign it pre-emptively to spite them and end up spiting himself...no, don't answer that given this is Mankins we're talking about...

 

[Deus Irae]

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If you tag him and he doesn't sign it he's screwed again...being as he's the one who wants to be traded who says he will NEVER play here again.

You keep making statements like this and acting as if they are true. Clearly, they are not. He's not screwed now, and he won't be screwed if he doesn't sign the tag. He's kept his money and has a nice big home. You keep acting as if this is some guy blowing through his cash and chasing the Travis Henry/Antonio Cromartie fatherhood title.

He would sign it only to facilitate a trade knowing that no one is going to sign him to an offer sheet approaching what he wants and trade a first and a third for him (or he'd be somewhere else already).

He doesn't need to bother signing anything until a trade is made that would include him going to an acceptable team for an acceptable salary.

Of course he may find out along the way that no one is going to pay him that period. And if the Patriots believe that at the start of the next league season they either won't tag him or won't tag him for long. Just long enough to shop him early in FA and establish if he has trade value. If he does they can tell him his ticket out of Foxboro is waiting... If not, they can rescind it.

Except that, if Mankins 'sees' the same thing, he can just rush on down and sign that Franchise offer. At that point, he'll be making more than $10 million dollars to play guard.

What do you think he would do, sign it pre-emptively to spite them and end up spiting himself...no, don't answer that given this is Mankins we're talking about...

How is it spiting himself? He'll be making more than $10 million dollars for one season. You can't have it both ways. If it's all about money, it's a huge win for him, since he'll be banking all that money at age 29 and ready for a megadeal the following year, or for another franchise tag at 120%. If it's all about principle, the tag is irrelevant.

 

[Deus Irae]

Mangold:


7 years, $55 million, with $20 million guaranteed.

Nick Mangold signs seven-year deal with New York Jets - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN

Just to be clear, PFT is claiming that the guarantee is a full guarantee for injury, but not for skill.

Nick Mangold gets $22.5 million guaranteed for injury | ProFootballTalk.com

At 25 years of age, it's not likely that the "skill" issue should ever really come into play, but I thought it should be included in the post.

 

[TheComeback]

I wonder where they "heard" all this from. I guess they missed the part where the Patriots cut Mankins tender from 3.27M to under 1.5M?

 

[italia44]

Re: Profootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

That doesn't mean anything. Contact would have to be between the Patriots and his agent, since he's not under contract, and I can't see his agent permitting anyone from the Patriots to contact Mankins directly without him being allowed to listen in.

I've said this before, and I am saying it again: I think that the real problem lies with Mankins' agent. I believe that his agent has NOT told Mankins the entire truth, and that Mankins is being poorly served in this situation.

Were it to be me in charge of negotiations, I'd be asking for a one on one meeting between me and Mankins, with his agent present, to clear the air and see what's going on.

That's just my personal opinion, but to my mind, it makes sense.

Just sayin'

It does mean something......this is a form of communication......Publicists in the old hollywood days did it.....politicians do it,diplomats,too.

Brett Favre is the king of this way of communicating.Manks has backed himself into a corner.The patriots have taken him at his word that negotiations are over and he is moving on.
("I'm really,really,REALLY.....leaving this time").

His agent is using the "friends" thingy and his shills at the herald as an outlet to "stir" the sleeping giant(patriots).It may not be much,but Mankins needs to create some kind of alternative to sitting out the whole year.

Contrary to popular belief,it's extremely difficult for a player or agent to craft a sign and trade deal for themselves,without any input or communication from your old team.Sort of like working in a vacuum.Once you get close to the day teams are finalizing their 53 man rosters,guys like Mankins,McNeil and Vincent Jackson will realize that life really does move on.

Revis finally knows it....The Patriots always know it...and Logan is too smart,NOT to know it.

 

[sbpatfan]

If Mankins sits out, hell is going to freeze over before the Patriots reward him with a 10 million franchise tag.

 

[Miguel]

Re: Profootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

There are other RFAs who don't have the big names who are sitting at home as well.

If true, you should be able to provide their names.

 

[Miguel]

Re: Profootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

Had the Patriots tagged Mankins this season, for example, Mankins would be making $10.731 million.

The revelant franchise tag number for Mankins is the 2011 franchise tag number.

While I did some research, I am not sure that my guesstimate is correct.

I think that the five highest adjusted cap numbers for offensive linemen this year are

Jake Long 11,325,000
Jahri Evans 9,400,000
Eric Steinbach 9,025,000
Eugene Monroe 8,752,500
Joe Thomas 8,200,000

That is an average of 9,340,500. I would not be surprised to see Mangold's name on the list once the details of his contract come out.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Profootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

The revelant franchise tag number for Mankins is the 2011 franchise tag number.

Understood, but it's not out, and it could still change depending upon future signings, so I couldn't give an accurate number. I did note that I was referring to the current year's (2010) number. Thanks for the follow up work on it that you did.

$9.34 million for one year would still be a better deal for Mankins than the alleged $7 million plus the $1.54 million of the lower tender number for two seasons. Although it would be less than the combination of that alleged $7 million plus the $3.268 million from the higher tender, I think, given the potential of $9.34 million, most of us would agree that avoiding an entire year of potential injury at the loss of 'just' $928,000 would be a very sensible approach on Mankins' part if that's how things shake out.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Profootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

The revelant franchise tag number for Mankins is the 2011 franchise tag number.

While I did some research, I am not sure that my guesstimate is correct.

I think that the five highest adjusted cap numbers for offensive linemen this year are

Jake Long 11,325,000
Jahri Evans 9,400,000
Eric Steinbach 9,025,000
Eugene Monroe 8,752,500
Joe Thomas 8,200,000

That is an average of 9,340,500. I would not be surprised to see Mangold's name on the list once the details of his contract come out.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised to not see it because I doubt he's seeing much front money in 2010. Much like Ferguson. Woody can deny it til the cows come home but he could have given Mangold a signing bonus and fully guaranteed salary because his deal isn't an extension. So he's either got a cash flow problem or he's not fronting or guaranteeing anyone (beyond those signed previously like Sanchez) a nickel beyond 2010 because of the fear of a lockout (or concern about the terms of any new CBA).

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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You keep making statements like this and acting as if they are true. Clearly, they are not. He's not screwed now, and he won't be screwed if he doesn't sign the tag. He's kept his money and has a nice big home. You keep acting as if this is some guy blowing through his cash and chasing the Travis Henry/Antonio Cromartie fatherhood title.

You know as well as I do he didn't keep his money. Uncle Sam took close to half of it off the top. Have you seen his home? How much did it cost (or is he living in his folks home on the 10000 acre ranch he doesn't own)? I do know he bought his mom and his fiancee and himself new wheels when he first signed. Where is his money being kept, under the mattress? If he invested it he's probably lost a chunk of it like everyone else...I'm sure he's better off than Cromartie, but he doesn't yet have double digit millions salted away, and he could have.

He doesn't need to bother signing anything until a trade is made that would include him going to an acceptable team for an acceptable salary.

Except for the fact that Bill is a hard ass when it comes to even discussing a trade for or with a player who isn't signed...

Except that, if Mankins 'sees' the same thing, he can just rush on down and sign that Franchise offer. At that point, he'll be making more than $10 million dollars to play guard.

Not necessarily because sometimes the tag goes down...and I think BB is in a position to assess Mankins market before Mankins can...legally. He can't talk to anyone for the first two weeks he's tagged. Bill on the other hand can...

How is it spiting himself? He'll be making more than $10 million dollars for one season. You can't have it both ways. If it's all about money, it's a huge win for him, since he'll be banking all that money at age 29 and ready for a megadeal the following year, or for another franchise tag at 120%. If it's all about principle, the tag is irrelevant.

He'll be spiting himself because he's a man of principle who said he would never play here again...which is also why he wouldn't be likely to pre-emptively sign the tag. Players who truly want out never do.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Profootball Weekly: There is still a decent chance Mankins plays this year

You know as well as I do he didn't keep his money. Uncle Sam took close to half of it off the top. Have you seen his home? How much did it cost (or is he living in his folks home on the 10000 acre ranch he doesn't own)? I do know he bought his mom and his fiancee and himself new wheels when he first signed. Where is his money being kept, under the mattress? If he invested it he's probably lost a chunk of it like everyone else...I'm sure he's better off than Cromartie, but he doesn't yet have double digit millions salted away, and he could have.

1.) You have no idea what he "could have".

2.) You have no idea what he "does have", other than what the story informs of.

3.) If you have a problem with the article from today, take it up with the author.

Except for the fact that Bill is a hard ass when it comes to even discussing a trade for or with a player who isn't signed...

Not really. Bill has no say in the matter. That decision is 100% Mankins.

Not necessarily because sometimes the tag goes down...and I think BB is in a position to assess Mankins market before Mankins can...legally. He can't talk to anyone for the first two weeks he's tagged. Bill on the other hand can...

1.) Miguel gave his current estimate of the 2011 franchise tag value. It's still smarter, financially, for Mankins to sit this season and then let BB tag him next year.

2.) Kindly show me in the CBA where teams are allowed to discuss potential contract numbers of individual players with other teams.

He'll be spiting himself because he's a man of principle who said he would never play here again...which is also why he wouldn't be likely to pre-emptively sign the tag. Players who truly want out never do.

Again, you don't seem to understand what spiting one's self means. You've been wrong about it every time you've used it.