Potential #1 Pick Jalen Carter

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Definitely not good but people have known and been expecting this. Carter has a few flags besides this but so does have of Georgia.

 

[XLIX]

Definitely not good but people have known and been expecting this. Carter has a few flags besides this but so does have of Georgia.

I don't think anyone was expecting felony charges (which is likely where we are headed here).

 

[mike_usagisan]

It's a shame he hadn't gone to the NFL rookie symposium yet and gotten the advice about having a fall guy.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

I don't think anyone was expecting felony charges (which is likely where we are headed here).

He's been charged for reckless driving and racing.

Unless they have irrefutable evidence that his vehicle directly caused the crash (everything I've read up until this point doesn't suggest this) - misdemeanor.

If the other driver was an innocent car and he slammed into them killing them - yes we have another Henry Ruggs. However, we have 2 willing "racers" here.

Incredibly sad, no doubt. He's not seeing jail time.

 

[Pape]

I really don't think so. This isn't going to impact anyone's board

It absolutely will.

 

[Pape]

He's been charged for reckless driving and racing.

Unless they have irrefutable evidence that his vehicle directly caused the crash (everything I've read up until this point doesn't suggest this) - misdemeanor.

If the other driver was an innocent car and he slammed into them killing them - yes we have another Henry Ruggs. However, we have 2 willing "racers" here.

Incredibly sad, no doubt. He's not seeing jail time.

does not matter.

his actions lead to a death... he is not absolved because "the other guy was doing it too"

 

[Sciz]

From last April, here is a case in Georgia where the surviving driver was charged with murder for the death of the person he was racing.

GSP Blame Street Racing For Fatal White County Crash, Surviving Driver Charged with Murder - WRWH

(Blairsville)- The Georgia State Patrol has identified the driver killed in a wreck during a police chase in White County Saturday as 37-year-old Rhyan Coley Davis of Gainsville. Troopers say Davis struck another vehicle head-on during the chase on State Route 17 north of Helen. The wreck...

www.wrwh.com

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

does not matter.

his actions lead to a death... he is not absolved because "the other guy was doing it too"

Oh but it does.

Hence why he's being charged with misdemeanors.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

However yes in the people's court , he's guilty.

Certainly d

From last April, here is a case in Georgia where the surviving driver was charged with murder for the death of the person he was racing.

GSP Blame Street Racing For Fatal White County Crash, Surviving Driver Charged with Murder - WRWH

(Blairsville)- The Georgia State Patrol has identified the driver killed in a wreck during a police chase in White County Saturday as 37-year-old Rhyan Coley Davis of Gainsville. Troopers say Davis struck another vehicle head-on during the chase on State Route 17 north of Helen. The wreck...

www.wrwh.com

The whole being chased by police detail certainly alters the facts of this case vs. Jalen Carter drag racing.

 

[Pape]

Oh but it does.

Hence why he's being charged with misdemeanors.

no, it doesn't ... the warrant was based on a misdemeanor charge... that does not mean he couldn't be facing a potential felony charge once the investigation is complete

 

[rochrist]

If all he did was street race with no one hurt, then I would agree with you. But 2 people died, which raises the stakes considerably. I don't know Georgia law on this matter, but when people die, charges tend to go from misdemeanor to felony.

And fairly often to mandatory jail time.

 

[XLIX]

He's been charged for reckless driving and racing.

No, the arrest warrants are for reckless driving and racing. What he ultimately gets charged with is yet to be determined. Please be aware that what the arrest warrants say is not all they can/will charge him with.

Unless they have irrefutable evidence that his vehicle directly caused the crash (everything I've read up until this point doesn't suggest this) - misdemeanor.

First of all, this being the United States of America, anything and everything gets thrown out the window if they don't have irrefutable evidence. We have no idea what evidence they have - but the newspapers do claim there is video surveillance of the race. Plus there are 2 survivors (besides Carter himself) who could testify.

You are mistaken to say that he has to have caused the crash. Since he was (allegedly) racing, he is considered to have taken part in the crash. If someone dies in a street race, all participants in the race can be criminally liable.

We know for a fact that the race resulted in 2 deaths. If they can prove he was participating in the race (as a driver) he is in a lot of trouble.

If the other driver was an innocent car and he slammed into them killing them - yes we have another Henry Ruggs. However, we have 2 willing "racers" here.

There is no such thing as a "willing" racer. It is an illegal activity.

Furthermore, the deceased were passengers (EDIT: I apologize. 1 driver and 1 passenger were killed in the other car). We have no idea what their state of mind was but the law can safely assume they didn't consent to being killed.

Incredibly sad, no doubt. He's not seeing jail time.

You may be right. The rich and famous live under different sets of laws than the rest of us. But he may very well have felony charges hanging over his head come April 27.

 

[Guts]

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

No, the arrest warrants are for reckless driving and racing. What he ultimately gets charged with is yet to be determined. Please be aware that what the arrest warrants say is not all they can/will charge him with.

First of all, this being the United States of America, anything and everything gets thrown out the window if they don't have irrefutable evidence. We have no idea what evidence they have - but the newspapers do claim there is video surveillance of the race. Plus there are 2 survivors (besides Carter himself) who could testify.

You are mistaken to say that he has to have caused the crash. Since he was (allegedly) racing, he is considered to have taken part in the crash. If someone dies in a street race, all participants in the race can be criminally liable.

We know for a fact that the race resulted in 2 deaths. If they can prove he was participating in the race (as a driver) he is in a lot of trouble.

There is no such thing as a "willing" racer. It is an illegal activity.

Furthermore, the deceased were passengers (EDIT: I apologize. 1 driver and 1 passenger were killed in the other car). We have no idea what their state of mind was but the law can safely assume they didn't consent to being killed.

You may be right. The rich and famous live under different sets of laws than the rest of us. But he may very well have felony charges hanging over his head come April 27.

We can agree to disagree. Appreciate your input.

Just understand yes, on a personal level I agree - he shouldn't have his name called draft night (I'm afraid it will be though, no longer early though ).

I'm basing on everything that has been presented to us up until this point.

As of this moment, this is exactly the type of case the NFL will turn it's head to.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

I'm a Pats fan in Atlanta and an attorney. I've had cases in Athens that I've handled or referred out to colleagues for literally decades. The Athens-Clarke County Police Department and supporting court system is the exception to the rule of college town athletics. If you're an athlete at UGA and you're investigated by the police, you shockingly get absolutely get no slack whatsoever (that doesn't apply to crimes on campus investigated by the UGA police; they're totally in the pocket of the athletic department). The point being that in a case like this, no punches are being pulled. If they had enough evidence to charge him with felonies they would do it in a heartbeat.

Just as an aside, the polar opposite of Athens is Tallahassee. If you're a jock at FSU the police and DAs office will protect you at all costs.

 

[Hyped]

Would he possibly drop to #14?

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

I'm a Pats fan in Atlanta and an attorney. I've had cases in Athens that I've handled or referred out to colleagues for literally decades. The Athens-Clarke County Police Department and supporting court system is the exception to the rule of college town athletics. If you're an athlete at UGA and you're investigated by the police, you shockingly get absolutely get no slack whatsoever (that doesn't apply to crimes on campus investigated by the UGA police; they're totally in the pocket of the athletic department). The point being that in a case like this, no punches are being pulled. If they had enough evidence to charge him with felonies they would do it in a heartbeat.

Just as an aside, the polar opposite of Athens is Tallahassee. If you're a jock at FSU the police and DAs office will protect you at all costs.

Exactly.

They have video evidence and have enough information to pin point how fast they were traveling + which lanes - but only charged him with 2 misdemeanors, based on what they knew they could prove.

I'm guessing the crash happened later on that night or long enough after there was video evidence where there's no way they could charge Carter with felonies that stick.

We all know he had a direct hand in it, being able to be charged and found guilty of it though (again based on everything out now) is a different thing.

The civil lawsuit won't be so forgiving, I can only hope.

 

[XLIX]

Exactly.

They have video evidence and have enough information to pin point how fast they were traveling + which lanes - but only charged him with 2 misdemeanors, based on what they knew they could prove.

As I have already pointed out, the crimes listed on the arrest warrants do not even remotely indicate what he will ultimately be charged with.

You remember that Brian Laundrie case from over a year ago? The entire country knew he murdered his girlfriend but when they (finally) issued an arrest warrant for him, the warrant was simply for theft of a couple hundreds dollars using a stolen ATM card. They put the minor, inconsequential crime on the arrest warrant. It is not uncommon at all for that sort of thing to happen.

I'm guessing the crash happened later on that night or long enough after there was video evidence where there's no way they could charge Carter with felonies that stick.

I'm guessing they are ultimately going to charge him with a felony. It could take a while but I think that is where we are headed.

 

[crawhammer]

I hope the Patriots don't draft this Jackass. Involved in an incident that involved driving while intoxicated, recklessly, topping speeds of 100+, and resulted in the deaths of two people. He leaves the scene, classy move with four friends lying in twisted wreckage, returns two hours later, and initially lies to the police. In addition to the criminal charges, which are likely to get worse, he'll probably be facing a civil lawsuit.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

I hope the Patriots don't draft this Jackass.

Well before this incident occured, Todd McShay and Albert Breer had both reported that several NFL teams had serious concerns about Carter's level of maturity and responsibility. The Mutt fans down here in Georgia were outraged at the time but now are oddly silent