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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I can see this being held against him in the GOAT HC discussion.This is dumb because before Gronk, Edelman, Mason, McCourty, Chung, Thuney, Hightower, and James White there was Brady, and the Pats were still winning superbowls and making it to the AFC championship or super bowl every year.
What about before Brady? We were 5-13, missed the playoffs with a 5-11 season and started 0-2 before Brady changed everything.
Does that mean Bill didn't play a key role as HC or that no other player helped? Of course not but it's more than obtuse to not recognize that Brady was by far the biggest impact on the Pats winning for 2 decades.
A lot of posters on this board thought Brady was going to look bad with Arians because this board viewed him as a joke of a HC. Turns out when Bruce Arians had a HOF QB (Warner and Brady) he could make it to the superbowl, win the superbowl. Also turns out that when Belicheck doesn't have a HOF QB he can barely make the playoffs
It better be catchy or I'm bringing up the benching of you know who and when lolHold on let me come up with a catchy acronym for McGinest, Bruschi, Wilfork, Seymour, Faulk, Harrison, Milloy, Law, Branch, Givens, Light, Koppen, Neal, Dillon
These guys wouldn't have been that relevant without stabilized play at QB. Harrison doesn't join the Pats and Bill (if he was still there) isn't trading for Dillon.Hold on let me come up with a catchy acronym for McGinest, Bruschi, Wilfork, Seymour, Faulk, Harrison, Milloy, Law, Branch, Givens, Light, Koppen, Neal, Dillon
These guys wouldn't have been that relevant without stabilized play at QB. Harrison doesn't join the Pats and Bill (if he was still there) isn't trading for Dillon.
A QB certainly can't win games by himself, but WR's, RB's, OL, DL, LB's, DB's and special teams are absolutely reliant on how the QB performs.
I can easily see his record without Brady being brought into the HC discussion. With every season that goes by Bill's legacy loses a little of it's shine. But he only has himself to blame.I can see this being held against him in the GOAT HC discussion.
Reid, Gibbs, and Landry were not dependent on a HOF QB to achieve all of their success. Reid made the postseason with McNabb, Smith, and a recovering Vick. He made the postseason in 2006 with old Garcia.
And whose fault is it that talent wasn't replaced?
Gronk left and Bill basically didn't figure out a way to get any production out of the position at all until he signed Hunter Henry. He just punted on the position 2019 and whiffed hard on two third round tight ends in 2020 who couldn't even get activated on game days when there was pretty much no one at the position.
Edelman wore down and retired like lots of receivers in their mid-30's except he is one of the few guys Bill actually had a suitable replacement to some extent. Meyers was a different type of receiver but slid into the slot receiver role and did well there. Of course we know what happened with him and March.
Shaq Mason is part of the complete mess at guard that Bill created the last few years. He franchised Thuney in a lost year in 2020 and cost us a 2021 comp pick. He then let Thuney walk in 2021, traded Mason in 2022, and completely bungled negotiations with Karras, and ended up reaching on a guard in the first round last year. The cherry on top is Strange isn't even good.
McCourty is in the Edelman category but doesn't seem to have a true replacement and for some reason Bill decided one of our better playmakers, Kyle Dugger, should play out of position in McCourty's free safety centerfield role which limits Dugger's impact. Luckily Peppers is playing well to help offset that.
Chung was adequately replaced with Dugger and now Peppers.
Thuney is part of the mess at guard with the Mason situation. Thuney will probably be an all-pro in KC this year.
Hightower is been replaced by Bentley for the most part. Bentley is a solid player but definitely a downgrade.
Post-James White era is like the post-Gronk era. Bill has apparently decided to just completely neglect the satellite back role. I guess in theory it was Ty Montgomery but he is a special teamer who never plays RB.
We lost good players due to retirement, trades, free agency, etc the same way any team would. Bill just didn't replace or adequately replace most of them. Bill used to always have guys waiting until the wheels started coming off. Matt Light to Solder then the wheels fell off with Wynn. Kevin Faulk, to Danny Woodhead, to Shane Vereen, to James White to no one. Troy Brown to Welker, to Edelman and Amendola, to Jakobi to no one. Some important positions on the roster Bill has missed badly or just ignored. It really is no surprise the roster is as bad as it is.
It's a double edged sword for the team right now. It isn't just the fact that he dumped some of the biggest names in football. He also didn't replace them with anything.Funny how it’s Belichick’s “ fault” that all those great players haven’t been replaced, but not to his credit that they were here to begin with.
Just another example of a stain on the team that will be with us long after Bill's gone. He didn't help with the made up cheating with deflated balls either when he slid Brady under the bus. Which reminds me, whenever I think back to that charade it always comes back to the fact that the only person who violated anything with the footballs in that game was the NYFL official who was stealing them. He was probably a former Jet.Bill’s record without Brady won’t stop him from going into Canton on the first ballot but spygate might. One voter says he’s not voting for BB for that reason. Stupid but these people have their minds made up on that.
That whole sequence is another of Bill's errors that gets overlooked or ignored.Bill didn’t trust his defense enough to punt on 4th and 2 (to be fair Faulk did make it) vs Colts…and opted for a low percentage FG to take the lead against Brady and the defending champion Bucs instead of asking his rookie QB who was playing very well to convert a 4th and 3… but he trusted his defense enough with Jordan Richards and a bunch of guys playing out of position to bench our best tackling cornerback in the biggest game of the season.
Weird.
I'll tell ya. He's really struggling since he released Cyrus Jones and joeuan Williams ...Belichick has won 0 titles since Jordan Richards left. I'm just sayin'...
As long as they aren't making more than him, then he loves the players!Bill likes the quiet/humble-less talented guys who won't make waves.
He should've left when Brady left. Now with each year that goes by, he legacy continues to get tarnished with the losses piling up. The national media has taken notice. Without Brady, he reminds me of Coach Red Beaulieu from "The Waterboy" who was reliant on his playbook he took from Coach Klein. I haven't seen Bill this animated making weird faces/gestures and yelling at refs since he first started with the Pats. He had a 20 year break of looking stoic on the sidelines which fans and media thought was so cute. Those days are over.Bill’s record without Brady won’t stop him from going into Canton on the first ballot but spygate might. One voter says he’s not voting for BB for that reason. Stupid but these people have their minds made up on that.
Yep. The team had high expectation when was brought in, but he made them worse which resulted in them going 5-11 in 2000. Nobody expected that. As the national media said, they were the least talented team in the league in 2001 and would've missed the playoffs without Tom Brady surprisingly succeeding on the field.Bill didn't draft some of the key players from Dynasty I. He inherited them.
Gronk- last played in 2018Many a thread and post have been made about our lack of success Post Brady. I find this distinction to be lacking as we are not only Post Brady, we are also Post Gronk, Edelman, Mason, McCourty, Chung, Thuney, Hightower, and James White. That is an immense talent drain to try and overcome in just a couple seasons and I feel distilling it down to "Post Brady" just doesn't highlight that nearly enough. I hereby declare we use Post BGEMMCTHW (that's pronounced bih-gem-chith-wuh) from here on out.