POLL: Trade Gronk and JAG for BOTH Cleveland's first round pics like Belichick would, would you?

[deroc5050]

No I wouldn't.. Gronk is worth 2 1st round picks and more because he changes the game when he is out there.

I know it doesn't work that way but Gronk is an all time great player. High draft picks could net you a Mayo type of player.. most likely.. Is Mayo an all time great?

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Yes

....and this sucks to say (please let me eat crow on this)

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Actually we got stopped last year with a healthy Gronk

Last year we had one of the most injured teams we've ever had... #2 in the league I believe... this team was absolutely decimated with injuries, and they nearly pulled out a comeback similar to this most recent Super Bowl... with Gronk making play after play to keep them in that game, including the 4th & 15.. the 4th & goal.. and was the target on the 2 point conversion as well (Ghost needs to stop missing XPs in Championship games!!!!)

Gronk nearly carried last year's team to the Super Bowl against an absolutely dominant defense.. this entire offense operates at a much higher level when Gronk is in the lineup and he's on a very team friendly deal in 2017.. so this discussion is pretty silly to be having right now IMO

 

[Foxypats]

No, multiple first round picks are nice, however you never know what you're getting, whereas we know what we have in Gronk, he is the best tight end in the game today and is too valuable to this team.

 

[Nikolai]

Last year we had one of the most injured teams we've ever had... #2 in the league I believe... this team was absolutely decimated with injuries, and they nearly pulled out a comeback similar to this most recent Super Bowl... with Gronk making play after play to keep them in that game, including the 4th & 15.. the 4th & goal.. and was the target on the 2 point conversion as well (Ghost needs to stop missing XPs in Championship games!!!!)

Gronk nearly carried last year's team to the Super Bowl against an absolutely dominant defense.. this entire offense operates at a much higher level when Gronk is in the lineup and he's on a very team friendly deal in 2017.. so this discussion is pretty silly to be having right now IMO

That's what I came here to say in response to the argument that Gronk didn't help us last year.

The guy is a force multiplier on offense. Recency bias makes it hard to see I guess, but offensively, this team is ridiculous with a healthy Gronk.

 

[luuked]

>>How in the world would his value be the highest after a season full with injuries where one of them is pretty serious ? What you are saying makes no sense

The reason it is at it's highest i (not counting the past) is because we would be trading him entirely based on what he might still be possible to do.

Historically players are not at a high value after a major injury, in fact Gronk's value is most probably the lowest it has ever been right now. At this point like you admitted just a sentence later it is absolutely unclear for anyone outside NE (and his agent) what he is able to do or how much in danger he is in to get another back injury.

That's not how the trade market works. If you want a good return you have to trade him when he comes off an impressive season. But of course that's when people here do a 180 and post threads about how he is underpaid.

And finally -- to quote Lombardi -- if you trade someone for a pick you have to have a player in mind. Who is it in the draft that you would trade Gronk for.

 

[Danger Zone]

I don't pay much attention to college ball, but unless there's a couple sure thing generational game changing players waiting to be had in this Draft...

No (unless Pats have some inside information about Gronks long-term health prospects).

 

[VJCPatriot]

I'm not trading Gronk. He doesn't deserve to be sent to football hell. And he's just the BEST tight end in football when healthy.

As for Jimmy G, he deserves to get a shot to start with someone. Not stuck on the bench behind the GOAT. And if we get a king's bounty, then we should probably take the deal.

 

[mosslost]

Historically players are not at a high value after a major injury, in fact Gronk's value is most probably the lowest it has ever been right now. At this point like you admitted just a sentence later it is absolutely unclear for anyone outside NE (and his agent) what he is able to do or how much in danger he is in to get another back injury.

That's not how the trade market works. If you want a good return you have to trade him when he comes off an impressive season. But of course that's when people here do a 180 and post threads about how he is underpaid.

And finally -- to quote Lombardi -- if you trade someone for a pick you have to have a player in mind. Who is it in the draft that you would trade Gronk for.

Myles Garret.

Gronk would get the number ONE, JAG would get the number 12, in my theoretical trade.

 

[chumpchange]

No, Gronk is an all-time great TE and Bennett likely walks this year. Even if he stays, Gronk is such a critical part of the offense that a first-round pick doesn't quite do it for me. I think instead, the Patriots need to tone down how much they run Gronk into the ground and turn it up later in the season. Yea, it sounds like an entitled thing to say but the Pats are making the playoffs with or without Gronk. How far they go could rely heavily on his status (regardless of this year's results)

I completely agree with this. If we're deep at a position, why not the rest the stars a little and preserve them for when we need them? This would never happen, of course, but we see how well Brady responded after four weeks off. Honestly, I don't know how these guys get through 16 games, plus the postseason, taking all that punishment.

 

[mosslost]

I completely agree with this. If we're deep at a position, why not the rest the stars a little and preserve them for when we need them? This would never happen, of course, but we see how well Brady responded after four weeks off. Honestly, I don't know how these guys get through 16 games, plus the postseason, taking all that punishment.

So, you would consider "resting" Brady for part of the year too?

 

[chumpchange]

So, you would consider "resting" Brady for part of the year too?

It would certainly be an intriguing strategy, but Tom would never agree to it. Bill would literally have to shoot him with a tranquilizer dart during pregame warmups.

 

[MassPats38]

Are either the 1 or 12 picks guaranteed to contribute anything to the success of the team? Gronk has averaged 11 games over the past 4 seasons. He is a difference maker when on the field. No draft pick is guaranteed to do that. Period.

Do you have any assurances that the 1 and 12 picks (I will give you both, just for argument) will do squat for the Pats when on the field, this year or in the future? Let's talk Jadveon Clowney, a number 1 pick now contributing in year 3. No way that could happen to either or both of these players to be named later, assuming they can actually contribute at all when on the field.

The draft is a crap shoot at all levels (number 1 picks are more likely to succeed than others in the draft, but there is still no guarantee of NFL success). Brady was not a great college player, and as a Sixth Round prospect became an unanticipated world beater. Archie Griffin won two Heisman, was drafted in the first round, and was less productive by far than an undrafted Benjarvus Green-Ellis.

JAG may be trade bait due to the likelihood of him leaving next year, but dealing Gronk means you want to buy a lottery ticket in the draft with a player who can actually earn wins now. I would be amazed if Gronk plays a full season again, but I would take what he offers for 8 games a season as that contribution likely is far more than both of those picks can add to the Pats collectively.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

A few things:

- You talk about the rookie deal, but going into 2017, you're looking at Gronk's salary cap hit around $6.75M, with $4M guaranteed over the next 2 years vs. #1 pick contract in the range of 4 years, $28M fully guaranteed and around $5M first year salary cap charge. Gronk's contract gets expensive after this year, but the amount guaranteed is significantly less and can be renegotiated while that first round pick isn't saving you a ton of cap space this year at least.

- When you talk about trading for picks, you need to put a name to that pick. Who are you getting in that range? Then based on how the Patriots work, how does that work with your current team?

So are you thinking Myles Garrett? How much better would he make a team with Flowers and Ninko under contract? Or in a draft deep in DL, would you wait til 12 to get someone else potentially? Maybe you're worried about Ninko's age, and you're not going to re-sign Sheard or Long.

The other option might be Fournette, but I can't imagine BB spending #1 overall on a RB. Hooker and Adams play safety, where we're solid already. Corner might be a need position if Ryan leaves like I expect, but we could also groom last year's 2nd rounder Jones into the position.

So maybe Jonathan Allen makes the most sense if Branch isn't coming back.

So an upgrade at DE, or a DT replacement for not signing branch vs. Gronk? I don't think that makes any sense for us.

 

[mosslost]

The Patriots Should Trade Gronk This Offseason

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New England Trades Gronkowski and QB Jimmy Garoppolo to the Cleveland Browns for TE Gary Barnidge, Both of Cleveland’s 2017 First Round Picks (No. 1 and No. 12), 2017 Third Round Pick, 2018 Second Round Pick, and 2018 Fourth Round Pick"