PFT: Bill "has shopped" Mac

[Real fan 02]

Or internally they have already decided Mac isn't that good, or has been outplayed by someone else. Or the player in question thinks the other player is better. If this is coming from Mac's camp there are lots of possible reasons he wants to be gone. If it is coming from the Patriots there are different reasons, light a fire in his butt, make him work harder, push Zappe to keep working. If it is made up, it is for clicks. You get to choose.

All those things you mentioned can be true! However as tight as the organization has always been I can't see this coming from them... if 2022 didn't go down the way it did we probably even never hear of anything like this. It feels like this could definitely be coming from Mac's camp..

If in fact he does want a trade then options would have to be on the table the teams isn't just going to give a 1st round pick away. However if he doesn't then as I've said ALL sides needs to bury this for the sake of the season and the organization going forward.

 

[Love The Drake]

My Sister is having Physical Therapy with a former Pats Trainer.

He knows Kraft and everyone. He helped keep Gronks back inline. The Trainer told my Sister that word around Gillete is that Mac is a BACKUP QB on a bad team.

Please tell me you’re joking?

I honestly can’t tell.

 

[Real fan 02]

I see. Bill doesn't deserve the credit for devising two SB winning defenses because he had great players.

Does Bill deserve credit for holding the 04 Colts to 3 points without Seymour and Law?

So maybe Mac doesn't want to be great?

I love the objectivity.

If you read carefully of what I said I'm not discrediting BB. I simply said it's EASIER to win and devise plans when you have the player's most notably LT and Brady.. BB absolutely deserves credit for the success he's the GOAT of all coaches.

He definitely deserves credit for signing Brady, Seymour and allowing ty , willie Bru to be themselves and morph into leaders. Again this isn't me personally critiquing BB I'm speaking of how he will be viewed if we continue to look the way we have post brady. I mean the debate can go all day here..

This is a different generation of players in 2023 NFL. The team knew what they were drafting in Mac. He's a good qb that can become great under the right circumstances.

 

[203Pat]

I don't get how anyone can be a staunch defender based off of what we have seen so far. What is it that has you sold? What do opposing defenses/defensive coordinators have to worry about when it comes to Mac? What is a "signature" game from Mac? I don't hate the kid and I don't really think there is much difference between him and Zappe but I don't know how anyone can be all in on either of them.

 

[Love The Drake]

Mid round target

 

[PWRxWLF]

Mid round target

UDFA target.

 

[Love The Drake]

McKee is already well equipped to operate an NFL offense given what he was asked to do at Stanford. He’s one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the class, and he pairs that ability with lightning-quick processing. McKee’s career time to throw at Stanford was a swift 2.49 seconds.

 

[Love The Drake]

McKee is already well equipped to operate an NFL offense given what he was asked to do at Stanford. He’s one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the class, and he pairs that ability with lightning-quick processing. McKee’s career time to throw at Stanford was a swift 2.49 seconds.

This is my target I think it’s him or Hooker if we are looking at QB early.

 

[Nehalem]

I suppose theoretically Kraft's lip service about Mac at the league meetings could've just been fluff to keep his stock up and try to get a decent price for him in a trade. "I'm a big fan of him" is a better sales pitch than "Eh we'll see how he does this year." I doubt that is the case, though.

Well considering that the other half of what Kraft is taking a dump on BB 2022 offensive experiment I think its likely true.

I mean you have to think Kraft gets status reports on the team.

So if after the 2021 season Kraft talks with BB about the state of the team and obviously about the starting QB. And BB says Mac Jones has a bright future.

Then in 2022 BB rolls out his experimental offense that completely falls on its face. And Kraft probably knows more about the dysfunction than any of us here.

You don't exactly have to be a football genius to figure out what the problem was.

 

[catent]

Well considering that the other half of what Kraft is taking a dump on BB 2022 offensive experiment I think its likely true.

I mean you have to think Kraft gets status reports on the team.

So if after the 2021 season Kraft talks with BB about the state of the team and obviously about the starting QB. And BB says Mac Jones has a bright future.

Then in 2022 BB rolls out his experimental offense that completely falls on its face. And Kraft probably knows more about the dysfunction than any of us here.

You don't exactly have to be a football genius to figure out what the problem was.

A bad OC, a bad QBC, a not-very-good QB who didn’t handle any of the adversity well … at all.

As with all major issues, there are usually multiple variables at play.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Amazing how the Mac Homers are triggered so easily.

You said the same thing last year, is this the same sister and same trainer?

 

[Triumph]

You said the same thing last year, is this the same sister and same trainer?

Yes

He left the Pats to not travel so much and spend more time home.

 

[Bill Lee]

FWIW, it's been 2 and a half days since this story came out. If it was untrue, or at least partially untrue, Kraft or someone else on the team could've issued some kind of statement by this point. It's been silent.

On the flip side, you would think other mediots beating the bushes would have gotten one of the other GMs to at least say off the record that BB was shopping Mac, and that's been quiet too.

Personally, I think this is either a lie or a huge exaggeration on the part of Florio or his source.

 

[Rob0729]

FWIW, Phil Perry said on his and Tom Curran's podcast that he has spoken to several players and they are all upset about how Belichick is treating Mac for the failures of last season and they are concerned what it could mean for them.

I still don't get what Belichick is doing anymore. He just seems to be making mistake after mistake. He has to be careful because if this team hits a rough patch, he could lose the team like 2009. Most of the players on the roster have never experienced any real success with Belichick and most have only experienced mediocrity. So they may not buy into the Patriot Way and believe that Belichick will figure it out.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't get how anyone can be a staunch defender based off of what we have seen so far. What is it that has you sold? What do opposing defenses/defensive coordinators have to worry about when it comes to Mac? What is a "signature" game from Mac? I don't hate the kid and I don't really think there is much difference between him and Zappe but I don't know how anyone can be all in on either of them.

I agree but Mac did have a good rookie year. That is a reason to be optimistic but your point that there is still a long way to go is still valid.

 

[Triumph]

Please tell me you’re joking?

I honestly can’t tell.

I wish that he was.

 

[Real fan 02]

I don't get how anyone can be a staunch defender based off of what we have seen so far. What is it that has you sold? What do opposing defenses/defensive coordinators have to worry about when it comes to Mac? What is a "signature" game from Mac? I don't hate the kid and I don't really think there is much difference between him and Zappe but I don't know how anyone can be all in on either of them.

Well... going based off his 1st season Mac showed he could come in and play well in this complex system. From what we witnessed from Cam at the QB position the 2020 season Mac instilled hope!

2022 happened, and it all began during that off season.. he just frankly never bought in because the people asked to run the offense had no clue and therefore weren't taken seriously.

Mac knew real offensive structure from his time with saban and his rookie year with Josh. The on field outburst, the Joe Judge confrontations, just on and on.. He still is a good QB, on a rookie deal. He has to be given a chance to make those things you mentioned under a real offense in wich he has now.

Both Mac and the HC have to share the accountability of how things went down.

 

[203Pat]

Well... going based off his 1st season Mac showed he could come in and play well in this complex system. From what we witnessed from Cam at the QB position the 2020 season Mac instilled hope!

2022 happened, and it all began during that off season.. he just frankly never bought in because the people asked to run the offense had no clue and therefore weren't taken seriously.

Mac knew real offensive structure from his time with saban and his rookie year with Josh. The on field outburst, the Joe Judge confrontations, just on and on.. He still is a good QB, on a rookie deal. He has to be given a chance to make those things you mentioned under a real offense in wich he has now.

Both Mac and the HC have to share the accountability of how things went down.

I think Mac showed he can be a capable NFL QB but I think he needs the circumstances around him to be near perfect for him to succeed and in the NFL that is not usually going to be the case. He also seems to let his emotions get the best of him instead of fueling him to be better the way truly great athletes do. My thing with Mac is I just don't think there is one thing he really has an advantage on over any other starting quarterback in the league. He just seems to be average to below average in every category. Granted Bill screwed him over last year and wasted a year of his development I don't really hold much hope he will be "the guy". At this point if things go the way I expect them to this year I really hope him and Bill are both gone by this time next season.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Well... going based off his 1st season Mac showed he could come in and play well in this complex system. From what we witnessed from Cam at the QB position the 2020 season Mac instilled hope!

2022 happened, and it all began during that off season.. he just frankly never bought in because the people asked to run the offense had no clue and therefore weren't taken seriously.

Mac knew real offensive structure from his time with saban and his rookie year with Josh. The on field outburst, the Joe Judge confrontations, just on and on.. He still is a good QB, on a rookie deal. He has to be given a chance to make those things you mentioned under a real offense in wich he has now.

Both Mac and the HC have to share the accountability of how things went down.

Also we have to keep in mind that mac does not have a jamarr chase / justin jefferson / aj brown/ tyreek hill / travis kelce type weapon at his disposal so hes obviously not going to carry a team on his shoulders or put up outstanding numbers.

In his rookie year when he had an actual oc he was probably somewhere around 12-15 on my qb rankings, then of course last year happened and he was towards the bottom. So he definitely has alot more to prove, but at the same time hes performed about whered id have hoped for realistically given his surroundings. Not enough data to declare anything either way.

 

[Ross12]

On the flip side, you would think other mediots beating the bushes would have gotten one of the other GMs to at least say off the record that BB was shopping Mac, and that's been quiet too.

Personally, I think this is either a lie or a huge exaggeration on the part of Florio or his source.

Like I said before, teams seeking to trade for the player have many good reasons to not leak that they're interested in the player. That's how bidding wars start, for one. If no one seems interested the price stays low. Leaks about teams being interested in a player frequently come from the team who holds the player. For instance, the story about the Pats having made an offer for Jerry Jeudy - that came from Denver, not New England.

There have been confirmations to a few journalists now that there were indeed trade discussions. The difference of course comes down to if he was "shopped". Florio is insistent that Belichick was the one initiating discussions but I have not seen that substantiated elsewhere.