Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team....

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Brady's a vastly superior quarterback. Also, 26-12 vs. 22-17 for TD-INT comparison really isn't "nearly on par", particularly since Brady gets further into the playoffs and is playing the better/hotter teams as a result.

Now that you decided to, somewhat, answer the question.....

Their TD percentages are identical.
Brady's INT % is .4 points higher.

Look like "on par" to me, no?

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Now that you decided to, somewhat, answer the question.....

Their TD percentages are identical.
Brady's INT % is .4 points higher.

Look like "on par" to me, no?

Only if you choose not to read, as you accused me of.

Here, let me break it down a bit for you, since you seem to like to play the "I have no argument, but I'll pretend I've got one" game:

Wild Card round:

Brady - 108.2
Manning 101.2

Divisional round:

Brady: 81.2
Manning: 82.7

Championship round:

Brady: 83.7
Manning: 57.3

Super Bowl:
Brady: 94.5
Manning: 81.8

The reason you can even try making the "on par" argument is because of the Wildcard round. While Brady has been better than Manning there, he's only played 2 wildcard games. Manning has had the 'good fortune' of playing 6 wildcard games.

So, even though Brady's been better in the round facing the weakest opponents, Manning's faced those weak opponents more often, skewing his numbers artificially high in comparison.

As I noted at the start, Brady's the vastly superior quarterback. The playoffs just bring that point out to anyone looking with an honest eye.

P.S. Int% over TD/INT ratio? Seriously?

 

[BradyManny]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Plus we got the extra twos in the trade downs. Galloway was a swing and a miss. Burgess may be a pop up. But when we look back at last year's draft plus the 2010 draft I think we'll see these drafts as the ones that restocked the Patriots for the next 5 years, what will keep the Patriots strong through the Brady years.

Agreed.

And I think the Burgess trade was still worth doing. A 3rd & a 5th could amount to nothing as mid round picks are a crapshoot even for the best of them. Burgess has disappointed, but he's shown signs of life. It was a risk worth taking. I just hope he plays better in the 2nd half of the year.

 

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Only if you choose not to read, as you accused me of.

Oh I've read all right, however, you still haven't......maybe you are, you're just not comprehending. I've come to find out that comprehension is a lacking skill by most east-coasterners.

They only want to hear what they're saying.....

 

[BSR]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Oh I've read all right, however, you still haven't......maybe you are, you're just not comprehending. I've come to find out that comprehension is a lacking skill by most east-coasterners.

They only want to hear what they're saying.....

Shocking that Deus can't comprehend posts like that above.

 

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Shocking that Deus can't comprehend posts like that above.

Well, it's quite obvious that the QB position in not the common denominator between the Pats' success and the Colts' failures.

I want to know from a Patriot fan what that denominator is?

 

[borg]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Oh I've read all right, however, you still haven't......maybe you are, you're just not comprehending. I've come to find out that comprehension is a lacking skill by most east-coasterners.

They only want to hear what they're saying.....

I really like the sign you made. Question: Are you wearing pants in this photo?
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/291771-caption.html

 

[capetide]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Oh I've read all right, however, you still haven't......maybe you are, you're just not comprehending. I've come to find out that comprehension is a lacking skill by most east-coasterners.

They only want to hear what they're saying.....

As an east-coasterner with a lacking skill, I'm still not comprehendening what you are expressessing.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Straight trash if you ask me.

 

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

As an east-coasterner with a lacking skill, I'm still not comprehendening what you are expressessing.

Well, it's quite obvious that the QB position in not the common denominator between the Pats' success and the Colts' failures.

I want to know from a Patriot fan what that denominator is?

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Well, it's quite obvious that the QB position in not the common denominator between the Pats' success and the Colts' failures.

I want to know from a Patriot fan what that denominator is?

No, that's not obvious at all, actually. You Manning ballwashers really need to get a grip on reality:

1999 loss to Tennessee
19 42 45.2% 227 0 0 62.3

2000 loss to Miami
17 32 53.1% 194 1 0 82.0

2002 loss to the Jets
14 31 45.2% 137 0 2 31.2

2003 loss to the Patriots
23 47 48.9% 237 1 4 35.5

2004 loss to the Patriots
27 42 64.3% 238 0 1 69.3

2005 loss to the Steelers*
22 38 57.9% 290 1 0 90.9
*numbers aided by brutal call made by the officials

For most of his playoff career, Manning's gas pipe performances have echoed his team's defeats. Even in the Super Bowl season for the Colts, it was the defense that bailed his ass out in the Baltimore game:

W 15-6 15 30 50.0% 170 0 2 39.6

Brady's worst QB rating in a playoff game has been 57.6. Manning's had a rating in the 30's on 3 separate occasions. Dismissing the QB position when looking at the playoff success of these two teams is just asinine.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Interesting that Chris Kemoeatu makes it after he got absolutely owned by a mediocre Kenny Peterson on Monday night.

Guess that must have been an aberration.

I've never even heard of Aubrayo Franklin... yikes.

 

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

No, that's not obvious at all, actually. You Manning ballwashers really need to get a grip on reality:

1999 loss to Tennessee
19 42 45.2% 227 0 0 62.3

2000 loss to Miami
17 32 53.1% 194 1 0 82.0

2002 loss to the Jets
14 31 45.2% 137 0 2 31.2

2003 loss to the Patriots
23 47 48.9% 237 1 4 35.5

2004 loss to the Patriots
27 42 64.3% 238 0 1 69.3

2005 loss to the Steelers*
22 38 57.9% 290 1 0 90.9
*numbers aided by brutal call made by the officials

For most of his playoff career, Manning's gas pipe performances have echoed his team's defeats. Even in the Super Bowl season for the Colts, it was the defense that bailed his ass out in the Baltimore game:

W 15-6 15 30 50.0% 170 0 2 39.6

Brady's worst QB rating in a playoff game has been 57.6. Manning's had a rating in the 30's on 3 separate occasions. Dismissing the QB position when looking at the playoff success of these two teams is just asinine.

I can point out poor performances on Brady's part too.

That's really a weak argument, but I can counter.

A lack of a postseason running game makes our offense one-dimensional. Throwing the ball around in snowy foxboro is not a recipe for success.

The lack of a postseason run defense (172ypg given up in the 8 losses) has minimized total possessions, TOP, yards, and ultimately points for the Colts offense..

Putting the entire weight of a team on your QB's shoulders will never be the recipe for postseason success.....I don't care how good your QB is.

 

[Va_Pats_Fan]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

I can point out poor performances on Brady's part too.

That's really a weak argument, but I can counter.

A lack of a postseason running game makes our offense one-dimensional. Throwing the ball around in snowy foxboro is not a recipe for success.

The lack of a postseason run defense (172ypg given up in the 8 losses) has minimized total possessions, TOP, yards, and ultimately points for the Colts offense..

Putting the entire weight of a team on your QB's shoulders will never be the recipe for postseason success.....I don't care how good your QB is.

But those same team(s) were good enough to win 12 straight games for how many seasons now? Your argument is hollow because of that alone.

Sorry, Pey-me-a-ton and One and Dun-gy are not all they were cracked up to be..

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

I can point out poor performances on Brady's part too.

That's really a weak argument, but I can counter.

A lack of a postseason running game makes our offense one-dimensional. Throwing the ball around in snowy foxboro is not a recipe for success.

The lack of a postseason run defense (172ypg given up in the 8 losses) has minimized total possessions, TOP, yards, and ultimately points for the Colts offense..

Putting the entire weight of a team on your QB's shoulders will never be the recipe for postseason success.....I don't care how good your QB is.

You made a stupid argument trying to eliminate the QB position as a difference in the postseason when it's clearly been a huge difference between the two teams. That's nothing new for Manning fans, because they can't just admit the clear truth.

Now you're trying to blame the defense?

The 1999 game saw the defense allow 19 points. The season average was 20.8. The offense could only muster 16 points (season average 26.4).

The 2000 game saw the defense allow 23 points. The season average was 20.4. The offense could only muster 17 points (season average 26.8).

The 2001 game was a 41-0 pasting. Blaming the defense and excusing Peyton when Manning couldn't muster up a single point and had a 31.2 QB rating is just silly.

The 2003 game saw the defense allow 24 points. The season average was 21. The offense could only muster 14 points (season average 27.9).

The 2004 game saw the defense allow 20 points. The season average was 21.9. The offense could only muster 3 points (season average 32.6)

Trying to pin Manning's playoff suckage on the defense is pathetic.

 

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

But those same team(s) were good enough to win 12 straight games for how many seasons now? Your argument is hollow because of that alone.

Sorry, Pey-me-a-ton and One and Dun-gy are not all they were cracked up to be..

Come on now, that's almost as weak as the last refute!

We ALL know that the quality of opponents in the regular season is not =/= the quality of postseason opponents.

BTW, I refer to Dungy as OADonegy, and you're right, he's not all what they cracked him up to be.

He was stubborn. His inability to make in-game adjustment by relying on his famous slogan, "we do what we do" makes me think he was just an average coach that was carried on the shoulder by the greatest QB of all time.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Come on now, that's almost as weak as the last refute!

We ALL know that the quality of opponents in the regular season is not =/= the quality of postseason opponents.

BTW, I refer to Dungy as OADonegy, and you're right, he's not all what they cracked him up to be.

He was stubborn. His inability to make in-game adjustment by relying on his famous slogan, "we do what we do" makes me think he was just an average coach that was carried on the shoulder by the greatest QB of all time.

Just as an FYI. You finding a strong argument and calling it weak does not suddenly transform it into a weak argument. You were wrong. Just admit it. At this point, you're not even being a good troll.

 

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

You made a stupid argument trying to eliminate the QB position as a difference in the postseason when it's clearly been a huge difference between the two teams. That's nothing new for Manning fans, because they can't just admit the clear truth.

Now you're trying to blame the defense?

The 1999 game saw the defense allow 19 points. The season average was 20.8. The offense could only muster 16 points (season average 26.4).

The 2000 game saw the defense allow 23 points. The season average was 20.4. The offense could only muster 17 points (season average 26.8).

The 2001 game was a 41-0 pasting. Blaming the defense and excusing Peyton when Manning couldn't muster up a single point and had a 31.2 QB rating is just silly.

The 2003 game saw the defense allow 24 points. The season average was 21. The offense could only muster 14 points (season average 27.9).

The 2004 game saw the defense allow 20 points. The season average was 21.9. The offense could only muster 3 points (season average 32.6)

Trying to pin Manning's playoff suckage on the defense is pathetic.

Again, you're reading what I'm posting, but you're not comprehending.

For the 2nd time, "The lack of a postseason run defense (172ypg given up in the 8 losses) has minimized total possessions, TOP, yards, and ultimately points for the Colts offense.."

 

[alvinnf]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

"we do what we do" makes me think he was just an average coach that was carried on the shoulder by the greatest QB of all time.

Greatest QB of all time, now there is an overstatement if I ever heard one!

 

[4xMVP]

Re: Peter King's mid-season All-Pro team.....

Just as an FYI. You finding a strong argument and calling it weak does not suddenly transform it into a weak argument. You were wrong. Just admit it. At this point, you're not even being a good troll.

Wrong about what?

Let me simplify it for you.

-If it was all about TD's thrown, Brady wouldn't have won in 01'.
-If it was all about INT's, Manning never would've won a SB and Brady would've lost to the Chargers the last in 06 and 07'.
-If it was all about QB rating, Inspiteofberger wouldn't have won the SB in 2005.

tu' comprende?