Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

[farn]

I'm just so tired of this.

I’m at a point where I almost see it as “the price of doing business”. The corrupt Great Leader shows up once in a while to take tribute and then NE can keep winning a bit until the return of the Great Leader a few years later.

 

[Froob]

Any penalty would make it look like it was something, when it wasn’t.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

What?

Krafts Sports & Entertainment (KSE) has nothing to do with football operations, whatsoever.

The content they produce are for docs and streaming media like "Do Your Job." They don't take orders from football operations- that'd be like the Army taking orders from the Navy.

Actually, according to KSE’s own website, KSE is a division of the Kraft Group, with that division being made up of the Patriots, the stadium, and a couple of other things.

Sports + Entertainment | A Family of Businesses

Anyhow, it sounds like the production company specifically is a part of the team, though not a part of the football ops part of the team.

While what the videographers did deserves a penalty (which in a sane world would be say a $150K fine and nothing else) because they’re part of the team, I will take the unpopular view here and disagree that the punishment shouldn’t affect football ops in the general case.

To be clear, the penalty shouldn’t affect football ops in this *specific* case because what they did only deserves a fine.

But I am not willing to say that something a non-football-ops part of a team does should never get a penalty that affects football ops.

Both football ops and non football ops are part of the same organization (the football team). Depending on the nature of the crime you may need to punish the organization hard enough so that it is incented enough to not let the bad act or something like it happen again. And that may mean letting some of the penalty fall on football ops, especially since that’s the part of the organization that generates the most value for the team.

 

[borg]

BB should demand his wages be doubled

The wealth Belichick and Brady have created for Booster Seat/ Robber Baron Bob is mind boggling.

New England Patriots on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List

Forget the consecutive stadium sell outs or highest priced tix in the NFL or the premiums being charged to corporations for suites on game day, Bob has monetized the on field success via corporate partnerships..... unmatched by 30 of the 31 other teams.
In 2016 the NEP were considered the 2nd most profitable team in the world.
Last year NE had operating income 2.4 times greater that the average NFL team.
And while Kraft’s franchise value has expanded 5 fold during the Brady/BB era, Kraft has successfully convinced his star player to accept reduced wages year after year after year.
Shrewd, diabolical........one sided.

How much has Brady left on the table while Robber Baron Bob has amassed an extra $3+ billion on his coattails?

Given all the hats BB wears and the unparalleled success of the team during his two decades of stewardship, Bill Belichick’s wages do not come close to compensating him for his true worth and value..... and dealing with Robber Baron Bob on a daily basis.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Anytime the Patriots are involved I believe the league sees harsh punishments as a public relations move. The harsher, the happier the jealous general public and owners are.

 

[sb1]

Link
NFL Rumors: Patriots Facing ‘Significant Penalties’ For Taping Bengals

There is the possibility of a suspension for a member of upper management and/or ownership as well, sources said, pending the results of the NFL's full investigation into the matter.

 

[XLIX]

Let’s face it: none of us care about a fine. We only care about the loss of draft picks and potential suspensions. I haven’t seen any suspensions mentioned, and the trial balloon suggests them losing a 5th rounder. I can live with that.

 

[Patriot Missile]

6 super bowls. Don’’t give a feezy.

 

[jimnance]

What a freaking joke.

Punching Goodell in his mouth is on my bucket list.

Why stop at just the mouth?
I suggest a 4punch combo left jab straight right left hook right uppercut.
That covers the right eye/cheekbone and chin.
I KNOW that pos has a weak chin.
Most importantly, thoroughly disinfect both hands after hitting that slime.

 

[NEPats1]

the best case scenario would have been for the nfl to squash this asap and before the game today

however since that did not happen Im inclined to believe now whatever the nfl penalty will be, it will give the media hysteria and biased pundits enough reason to claim this was a serious scandal

 

[jimnance]

Any penalty would make it look like it was something, when it wasn’t.

You hit the nail on the head.
Keep diminishing all the greatness this franchise has achieved.
Let cries of Cheatriots ring out through the land.
Gives the owners, fans and players of the other 31 excusest cover their mediocrity compared to the all-time dominance of the Patriots.
It changes nothing.
Those who KNOW, know how great this run has been.
Let the jealous small people squawk.
That's THEIR Super Bowl.

 

[luuked]

Link
NFL Rumors: Patriots Facing ‘Significant Penalties’ For Taping Bengals

There is the possibility of a suspension for a member of upper management and/or ownership as well, sources said, pending the results of the NFL's full investigation into the matter.

What exactly would even be a suspension for "upper management" ? I mean since this is not a football ops situation I don't see who they want to suspend here ? Whoever runs the KSE projects in house ?

What an idiotic cluster**** the NFL is tieing itself into. Hand out a 50k-100k penalty and let that be it. But what am I expecting from the idiots that didn't believe in the IGL.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

What exactly would even be a suspension for "upper management" ? I mean since this is not a football ops situation I don't see who they want to suspend here ? Whoever runs the KSE projects in house ?

What an idiotic cluster**** the NFL is tieing itself into. Hand out a 50k-100k penalty and let that be it. But what am I expecting from the idiots that didn't believe in the IGL.

Did you expect anything less from the clown show that is the NFL offices? If the Patriots football ops were proven to be part of this, that’s one thing. But in a sane world with a sane organization running things, your penalty would be what happens. Anyway, in theory the “suspension” would likely be someone for whom “the buck stops here” on everything, yes maybe one of the Krafts themselves. The mere idea of a draft pick loss is insane on its merits based on our understanding of the infraction.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Guilty or not. The whole thing fries my *** about this is that the precedent already set was a rigged witch hunt the first 2 times against the Patriots.

 

[FCB02062]

So basically Krafty Bob wants to provide "content" for his team's fans, but in reality it's just another vehicle to take in $ through ad revenue...maybe I'm missing something, but ass play before these videos...and in doing so he got his team caught up in another brouhaha.../sarcastic golf clap/

 

[NE_Zealot]

I stand by what I mentioned previously. If the Pats are hammered again I am stepping away from the NFL after this season (already watched 13 games). It is patently clear that the NFL and media only care about their precious narratives and not the on-field product.

I also feel like some others that the BB/Brady era is rapidly drawing to a close and that at least Brady is fed up with the organization. Time to find something else to do with my Sundays in 2020 but what a ride it has been and I appreciate the Pats for their run but it’s no longer about the actual sport and more about sensationalism. Sad times!

 

[denverpatsfan]

Not surprised. Public perception is that the Pats cheated. The public does not differentiate between Kraft Productions and Football Operations. Its the Patriots and they cheat. The fact that they have been punished in the past proves that they have cheated. 3rd rounder and $500,000 fine. Dont forget Troy Vincent will make this decision for Goodell.

 

[JMC00]

What exactly would even be a suspension for "upper management" ? I mean since this is not a football ops situation I don't see who they want to suspend here ? Whoever runs the KSE projects in house ?

What an idiotic cluster**** the NFL is tieing itself into. Hand out a 50k-100k penalty and let that be it. But what am I expecting from the idiots that didn't believe in the IGL.

It was La CONfora that was reporting that, so take that with a 5lb bag of salt

 

[NE_Zealot]

Not surprised. Public perception is that the Pats cheated. The public does not differentiate between Kraft Productions and Football Operations. Its the Patriots and they cheat. The fact that they have been punished in the past proves that they have cheated. 3rd rounder and $500,000 fine. Dont forget Troy Vincent will make this decision for Goodell.

Only a third rounder would be a blessing. I’m thinking a first, minimum.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

From LaCanfora’s article.

The Bengals have a copy of the roughly eight-minute tape, which sources said head coach Zac Taylor showed to his staff this week so that all would be aware of exactly what the Patriots may have had access to and to make any necessary changes to their signals or protocol ahead of their meeting with New England Sunday.

Good to see that it took this incident for Taylor to learn that he needs to change his signals from time to time. Another incompetent buffoon in charge of the Bengals.