Player Signing Pats to sign Torry Holt

[PatsWickedPissah]

Does anyone think the BB signed Holt,not just for depth but to be a WR that a newly drafted rookie can look up to and learn the pro game?

Moss is not that type of guy IMO, Holt could be

Yes, q.v. 2nd year WR Tate.

Holt may well be the better teacher but many of us saw Brady and Moss standing with Edelman alone in training camp discussing aspects of the game with the rook.

 

[Blizzzard]

Edelman isnt ready to be a #2 WR in the league. He's only in his second year and has only played the WR position for 1 year in his entire football career. He made great strides last year, but isnt ready to take on a #2 WR role at this point in his career.

Seriously..... What's with all this #1 WR, #2 WR, #3 WR ranking BS. He's a slot WR...period. He is replacing our slot WR. The fact that the slot WR he is replacing happened to be our 2nd best WR has no bearing on his capability to do the job.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

love the signing - great competitor-

 

[patsinthesnow]

Does anyone think the BB signed Holt,not just for depth but to be a WR that a newly drafted rookie can look up to and learn the pro game?

Can you say Dez Bryant who to me as a troubled kid in terms of dedication,would be the type of guy that Holt can teach the good fundamentals of the game to?

If Bryant lasts until 22 that is

Moss is not that type of guy IMO, Holt could be

Bryant would have a HOF QB throwing him the ball with the two of the best WRs of the decade (although past there best days) to help him.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Excellent signing IMO, but I still want Bryant if he falls or Williams/Thomas in the second!

 

[Bostonian1962]

I really can't see how this is a bad move, and here's why:

1. He's 33, not 43.
2. He's an older receiver, but he's not an older player who was average and is now older. He's a player who was an All Pro, who is now older.
3. His contract will be a 1 YR, 1.75 M contract in an uncapped year.
4. He should be a useful veteran to the likes of Edelman, Tate, and the rookie receivers they bring in.
5. He'll be a better 4 or 5 receiver to anything they had last year. Isn't the goal to get better every year?
6. 35 of his 51 catches last year were for first downs.
7. He caught over 50 catches with a run oriented team last year.
8. In his 11 year career he's played a full season 9 times, and his lowest number of games played was 14.
9. His signing probably means they don't sign T.O.
10. He loves puppies.

Does anybody out there like my spin?

P.S. - The Pats will draft 2 or 3 WRs out of their 12 picks, IMHO. There should be a fine mix of youth and experience for Brady. I predict we love their WR corp. come training camp. Especially knowing that Wes Welker will be back in the mix (fingers crossed) by the end of the season and into the Super Bowl.

 

[jmt57]

Regarding the expectations of Edelman in place of Welker, it's worth noting that in 2009 in the three games that Edelman replaced Welker he had 21 receptions for 221 yards; that's an average of 7 catches for 74 yards per game. I'm not expecting him to duplicate Welker's production but the combined 2010 production of Edelman, Holt and whoever is WR4 should exceed the 2009 production of Welker, Galloway and Aiken.

 

[lamafist]

I am not comparing them as WR's as they have different styles, I am comparing them for the production that they can bring. When doing that Welker greatly out does Holt.

At the end of last season fans stressed the need of a #3 WR. The Patriots did address that with the signing of Holt because Holt is a solid #3 WR at this point in his career. With the loss of Welker that adds another need to the WR position. The Patriots have not addressed the loss of Welker to this point. For the people that say he is coming back during the year so we shouldnt worry about that. Who is to say that he comes back and is as effective as he was last year, look at Brady and how he first came back.

And I'm saying that talking about receivers in terms of their individual production only works in fantasy football.

Their performances are interdependent on one another. We had both Welker and Moss healthy last season, but our offense was still missing a piece, because we simply didn't have a 2nd credible wideout.

In 2010, our receiver package might not have as much overall ability, but at least it doesn't have any gaping holes.

Welker is one of my favorite Pats, for sure, but replacing a slot receiver is a lot more like replacing a RB in terms of being able to find guys to plug in and perform adequately.

 

[RodThePat]

And I'm saying that talking about receivers in terms of their individual production only works in fantasy football.

Their performances are interdependent on one another. We had both Welker and Moss healthy last season, but our offense was still missing a piece, because we simply didn't have a 2nd credible wideout.

In 2010, our receiver package might not have as much overall ability, but at least it doesn't have any gaping holes.

Welker is one of my favorite Pats, for sure, but replacing a slot receiver is a lot more like replacing a RB in terms of being able to find guys to plug in and perform adequately.

This is a great point. I'd rather have 4, 5 good/pretty good receivers than 2 great ones, a good one and 4 mediocre/downright bad ones. It gives your passing game much more depth.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

Torry Holt is one of the most precise and best route runners I have ever seen. While he certainly isn't the athlete that he once was, he should be a valuable asset to this offense because of his intelligence. I am very happy with this acquisition which is a big upgrade to our WR corps, for at least one season.

This is the point.

When first Welker arrived, the key to his success was the astonishingly good routes the guy ran. It opened things up so much, he'd have been #1, had we not had a guy named Moss.

This is what Holt brings to the table, too - great, great route running. As others have stated, he undoubtedly is no longer the Torry Holt of 5 years ago, but he can still get more than ample separation in any given situation.

My guess is, both Moss and Edelman are enthusing over this signing.

Now, we wait for the other shoe to drop Thursday night...

 

[The Dynasty]

And I'm saying that talking about receivers in terms of their individual production only works in fantasy football.

Their performances are interdependent on one another. We had both Welker and Moss healthy last season, but our offense was still missing a piece, because we simply didn't have a 2nd credible wideout.

In 2010, our receiver package might not have as much overall ability, but at least it doesn't have any gaping holes.

Welker is one of my favorite Pats, for sure, but replacing a slot receiver is a lot more like replacing a RB in terms of being able to find guys to plug in and perform adequately.

It doesnt have a #2 WR (second most productive), whatever you want to say until Welker returns. Teams can devote all their defensive attention to Moss and allow Edelman and Holt to beat them. Both Edelman and Holt cannot do that. My point in this whole thread is that the team needs to go out and get a WR that can make teams pay for focusing their whole attention on Moss.

 

[patsfan-1982]

this is a good move he had 50 rec and 700 yerds last year. on a bad passing team. yes he will be 34 when the season starts. so anyone looking for him to be the WR he once was it's not going to happen.


but i think he could be a good #3 WR

 

[alphilip77]

Solid move by the Pats. Now if they can draft Damian Williams and possibly Dennis Pitta, we'd have one helluva receiving corps.

WR
Moss
Edelman
Holt
Welker
Tate
Williams

TE
Crumpler
Pitta
3rd TE


Nice.....:rocker:

 

[resdubwhite]

He's no world beater. But right now. The team is better.

That is without doubt. Will Rexy be pissing himself ? No

I think its a good (not great) move.

 

[fumbrunner]

Yeah, this thread has been WAY out thought.

Holt is an upgrade over Aiken. If Tate beats him out, all the better but this gives us a better WR across from Moss.

End of discussion.

-- separate thread . . . sucks that Welker might miss some of the season, hopefully Edelman can do a good job until Welker returns.

this. Still not the greatest signing, but yes better than Aiken obviously and he didn't break the bank. Here's hoping this isn't Galloway all over again....

 

[Leave No Doubt]

if Holt can catch over 50 ball for over 700 yards with David Garrard throwing to him, he could be an excellent #2 with Brady throwing to him.

Exactly plus he's still got gas left. He's also intelligent,a good route runner, reportedly a good guy to have around your locker room, and he's experienced, a veteran. I'll be anxious to read his interview, he sounds like the type of player who has absolutely NO reason not to come in and give 110% no matter what his role turns out to be.

His signing may not be a sexy one but it's a smart one. Very smart.

PS: If we draft a WR (I won't mention any names) who can produce right away I think we'll be sitting pretty well by the time Wes comes back.

 

[mgteich]

We now have two starting receivers that are both 33 (Moss and Holt). We have two kids at the slot and at #4 (Edelman and Tate). We have a kid and an 35 year old vet competing for #5 or for #4 if Tate doesn't cut it (Stanback and Patten). We even have an all-pro who will likely be on the PUP list, and who might be back for the last half of the season.

Moss
Holt
Edelman (slot)
Tate (returner)
Stanback (#3 QB)
Welker (PUP)
Patten (trairning camp insurance)

What's not to like?

 

[Reckedtrek]

Should be a solid signing. He's a #2 at most if our receiving core doesn't get any better, a #4 if we get some good to great things from any combination of 2 out of Tate, Edelman, and a rookie or two.

Add to that- Welker is tentatively expected back in late October, at least at this point in time. It's a short term fix- a player who can likely handle our offense, with lots of experience, who gives us depth without burning a pick and/or tons of financial commitment.

Bottom line is the Pats are a better team now than they were yesterday at this time.

 

[lamafist]

It doesnt have a #2 WR (second most productive), whatever you want to say until Welker returns. Teams can devote all their defensive attention to Moss and allow Edelman and Holt to beat them. Both Edelman and Holt cannot do that. My point in this whole thread is that the team needs to go out and get a WR that can make teams pay for focusing their whole attention on Moss.

"Second most productive WR" isn't a position.

You can't have a hole at a position that doesn't exist.

 

[The Dynasty]

"Second most productive WR" isn't a position.

You can't have a hole at a position that doesn't exist.

I had that in parenthesis because people get all upset when people give WR's #'s. They lack a #2 WR, better for you?