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[Ring 6]

Re: The Bronco game...

Denver's a huge thorn in our side, it would be nice to get that monkey off our backs. Both scenarios are highly unlikely, but if ya asked me "If the Pats go 1-15, which team would you want the win against?" I'd say Denver. Ask me "If the Pats go 15-1, which team would you least prefer to be the one loss?" I'd say Denver again.

Every team's got their demons, and ours are the Denver Broncos.

Its not that big a deal to me. Sure, we dont have a great head to head record vs Denver, but 3 to 0 this decade is what matters to me.
I dont expect to win them all, and getting homefield throughout the playoffs is what I care about regardless of who the losses come against.
I have no greater disappointment in a loss to Minnesota, for example, than Denver, and no greater pleasure in a win against Denver than anyone else.

If it were a case like the Pack vs Niners in the 90s or Niners vs Dallas in the 90s or the Colts or Steelers against us, where the rivalry was born because those teams we Super Bowl bound but for never being able to beat the other, then I'd feel that way. I dont think the psyche of the team is affected by the Denver Broncos beating us a few times, when there are 3 Championships to show for it.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: The Bronco game...

That's what I'll be on September 24th- one f*cking insane Pats fan rocking the upper deck of Gillette!

I think you'll be a happy one 3 hours later too. Barring another turnover fest, I don't see Jake beating Belichick three games in a row (not that Jake "won" the playoff game last year through his own doing but you know what I mean).

BTW, I hate the Donkeys too but I would still take a loss to them if it were guaranteed to be our only loss of the year.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Re: The Bronco game...

Denver's a huge thorn in our side, it would be nice to get that monkey off our backs. Both scenarios are highly unlikely, but if ya asked me "If the Pats go 1-15, which team would you want the win against?" I'd say Denver. Ask me "If the Pats go 15-1, which team would you least prefer to be the one loss?" I'd say Denver again.

Every team's got their demons, and ours are the Denver Broncos.

Well, I see your point. Speaking personally, I'd be torn this season between Denver and Indy.

But what if Oakland were on the schedule? Do you still say the same? (Not me!)

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: The Bronco game...

Well, I see your point. Speaking personally, I'd be torn this season between Denver and Indy.

But what if Oakland were on the schedule? Do you still say the same? (Not me!)

There is no team I enjoy the Patriots beating more than the Colts. NONE. After that it would be Denver and our AFC East rivals.

 

[richpats]

Re: The Bronco game...

Well, I see your point. Speaking personally, I'd be torn this season between Denver and Indy.

Honestly, Indy doesn't bother me as much as they used to, because we've humiliated them so many times. Even when they beat us last year, they were the same ol' Colts in the playoffs, so I don't expect them to ride a regular season victory over us to Super Bowl glory.

Denver, on the other hand, has been our party-pooper forever it seems. Think about the years from 96-98 where we had some solid teams, only to be whipped by Denver each time. Shannon's call to the "National Guard". Brady's 4-INT meltdown in 2001. Our 4th loss in a row in 2002. Our first playoff loss under BB. Odds are, in our lowest moments, our opponent has been the Denver Broncos.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Re: The Bronco game...

Call me crazy, but I'd rather go 1-15 (with the only win being against Denver) than go 15-1 and lose to those punks again. I've really had it with this team, I think anything less than an all-out butt-kicking in front of the home crowd would be a disappointment. I mean, do they really want to be 0-3 against a team with JAKE PLUMMER at the helm? Do they want to make it 16 losses in 19 games? Does Tom Brady want to be 1-5 against them? Do they want to prove that Denver owns them in Foxboro as well as Denver? Do they want to blow a chance to redeem themselves for last January?

Personally, this is a game they cannot lose for all the reasons stated above. I know I'll be as loud as I possibly can (and I expect the other 68,000 to do the same) to prevent Denver from once again defeating our Pats.

Plummer will "fear the Razor" September 24th!

I feel you brother! Great points, week 3 will be an interesting game because the Broncos ended the Pats run and pretty much own them regardless. Pats need to come out and make a statement.

 

[Seymour93]

Expect perfection.

16-0.

Then expect to be disappointed, pats1.

 

[richpats]

Re: The Bronco game...

I feel you brother! Great points, week 3 will be an interesting game because the Broncos ended the Pats run and pretty much own them regardless. Pats need to come out and make a statement.

"Regardless" remains to be seen. They've had 5 of the last 6 games in Denver, no wonder they've had success against Brady & Co. Their HFA rivals ours, and they've managed to avoid a down year for a while, so they've had the luck of the draw with us. Flip the script and Brady would be 4-1 against them- they are a bad road team, nowhere near as good as they are in Denver.

The Denver Broncos aren't much without the "Denver"

 

[Mike the Brit]

Re: The Bronco game...

"Regardless" remains to be seen. They've had 5 of the last 6 games in Denver, no wonder they've had success against Brady & Co. Their HFA rivals ours, and they've managed to avoid a down year for a while, so they've had the luck of the draw with us. Flip the script and Brady would be 4-1 against them- they are a bad road team, nowhere near as good as they are in Denver.

The Denver Broncos aren't much without the "Denver"

Now THAT is a good point -- aerobic exercise at a mile above sea level without a LONG period of acclimatization is a real problem. Having experienced it myself, I'm surprised that they ever lose at home.

 

[richpats]

Re: The Bronco game...

Now THAT is a good point -- aerobic exercise at a mile above sea level without a LONG period of acclimatization is a real problem. Having experienced it myself, I'm surprised that they ever lose at home.

I've read article upon article about the effects of the altitude in Denver and basically a pro football player is conditioned well enough to handle the altitude change...though when the 4th quarter comes along, someone not acclimatized to the environment can easily get winded.

In the last 5 years at Invesco, the Broncos are 31-10 (incl. postseason). Away from Invesco they're 19-23

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Re: The Bronco game...

I've read article upon article about the effects of the altitude in Denver and basically a pro football player is conditioned well enough to handle the altitude change...though when the 4th quarter comes along, someone not acclimatized to the environment can easily get winded.

In the last 5 years at Invesco, the Broncos are 31-10 (incl. postseason). Away from Invesco they're 19-23

So basically what you're saying is any pro football player can play 60 minutes at Invesco, but it turns out that if you do it regularly you win all the games played there. I think you made the opposite point from the one you started with. I think that may be where playing the 4th quarter comes in.

As for the record... 11-5. You cannot just count the games on the schedule. You lose to bad teams sometimes, and you get injured other times. The only time you can have the hubris to predict above 12-4 is when you're a super bowl winner that just got better, in my opinion. Right now we're a playoff team that just treaded water in the offseason, at best.

Don't get me wrong. The moves the Pats made were smart, and they got the most out of their commitments thus far. And of course there still may be more to come. But it makes no sense to talk about those 14-2, 13-3, or better numbers, not at this point.

.02,

PFnV

 

[richpats]

I meant a player is conditioned well enough not to be affected initially, but over the course of a game the environment may take its toll.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I meant a player is conditioned well enough not to be affected initially, but over the course of a game the environment may take its toll.

Actually I know what you're saying... I think... it shouldn't make a difference, but by 4th quarter the difference really does come into play. Not that the Broncs aren't sucking wind by then too, but they take it more in stride.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Actually I know what you're saying... I think... it shouldn't make a difference, but by 4th quarter the difference really does come into play. Not that the Broncs aren't sucking wind by then too, but they take it more in stride.

Each time the thin air discussion comes up DeOssie makes the same comment. He says it's not much of a factor unless in the 4th quarter you've fallen behind. Then it's a killer.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Re: The Bronco game...

I've read article upon article about the effects of the altitude in Denver and basically a pro football player is conditioned well enough to handle the altitude change...though when the 4th quarter comes along, someone not acclimatized to the environment can easily get winded.

In the last 5 years at Invesco, the Broncos are 31-10 (incl. postseason). Away from Invesco they're 19-23

If you've got a good article with some medical data, I'd be very interested, but the things I've read have just repeated the same received opinions.

Here's my reasoning.

I go skiing quite often to a resort at 1750 metres (about a mile high) and I really notice the effect. In March, for instance, I went for a swim in the village pool on the second or third day. Normally I can swim 20 or 30 lengths of steady crawl with no problem. There I needed a good breather after two lengths!

Of course, I am not a trained athlete. But the key is not how the athlete's performance compares with mine but how the athlete's performance compares with his own normal performance. I don't know of any evidence that training makes an athlete less susceptible to a drop-off in his peak performance (although, of course, the peak performance itself will increase with training).

Nor is football swimming. But skiing isn't so different if you ski hard -- a series of short bursts of explosive effort followed by recovery. I can only tell you that you really feel the effects for at least the first week. It might be OK if you were just on the field for a special teams play every ten minutes or so but the defense has to stay on the field for ten or fifteen minutes at a time (real time) during a decent drive. So aerobic considerations and recovery rate are very important even in football.